THF vs TWF KOTC WF Pally Vidoes.

[Stamp3de]

These videos are of my wf pally against the orthon Gula in Sins of Attrition.
These are some reference for a PALLY (not barb, ranger, fighter, rogue, monk, cleric, fvs, bard, sorc, wizzy, bob)
thf vs twf. (I'd include s&b dps vids but.... lol.)

THF:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bkfola7nQ7I
Total Fight time: 23~ seconds

TWF:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb7hy_w7q5M
Total Fight time: 24~ seconds


Notes:
My pally doesn't have any TWF feats, not even khopesh proficiency.
He is THF specced.
These are just for some reference.
They prove nothing.
I was bored.
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The times are pretty close enough vs one enemy.
I believe that with the twf feat chain, the time would improve. (Obvious statement is obvious)
Both styles have their advantages.


Whole 6 min run vid for anyone whose interested:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gViUwrgCTg

Edit: Ah cantz spel video (see thread title)

[SteeleTrueheart]

I am at work so I can not see the vids, will check them out later. Since the vids wont help with these questions anyway;

What weapons were you using in each of the styles?

Is there similar video of when you are mobbed by large groups?

Cheers.

[hydra_ex]

These videos are of my wf pally against the orthon Gula in Sins of Attrition.
These are some reference for a PALLY (not barb, ranger, fighter, rogue, monk, cleric, fvs, bard, sorc, wizzy, bob)
thf vs twf. (I'd include s&b dps vids but.... lol.)

THF:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bkfola7nQ7I
Total Fight time: 23~ seconds

TWF:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nb7hy_w7q5M
Total Fight time: 24~ seconds


Notes:
My pally doesn't have any TWF feats, not even khopesh proficiency.
He is THF specced.
These are just for some reference.
They prove nothing.
I was bored.
Enable embeded videos on the forums!
The times are pretty close enough vs one enemy.
I believe that with the twf feat chain, the time would improve. (Obvious statement is obvious)
Both styles have their advantages.


Whole 6 min run vid for anyone whose interested:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gViUwrgCTg

Edit: Ah cantz spel video (see thread title)

So for a Pally, TWF comes out much better for pure DPS. If theres only a 1 second difference, and the TWF was at a significant disadvantage, imagine what the TWF would look like on a properly specced TWF pally.

[excess]

From what I could see:

THF - GS Greataxe (Why not a Falchion?)
TWF - Holy Swords - Scimitars (looked like it at least)

To the above: one could argue that the THF was at a disadvantage from the fact that the character was spamming DS and ES - which favour TWF with double proc mechanics

[BlackSteel]

From what I could see:

THF - GS Greataxe (Why not a Falchion?)
TWF - Holy Swords - Scimitars (looked like it at least)

To the above: one could argue that the THF was at a disadvantage from the fact that the character was spamming DS and ES - which favour TWF with double proc mechanics

if the smites even land on the double attack in the chain, considering he had no feats for it

[78mackson]

From what I could see:

THF - GS Greataxe (Why not a Falchion?)
TWF - Holy Swords - Scimitars (looked like it at least)

To the above: one could argue that the THF was at a disadvantage from the fact that the character was spamming DS and ES - which favour TWF with double proc mechanics

Those were khopeshes. Scimitars(holy sword version) looks like rapiers and you dont get 600 crits with em.

Awesome video btw!

[Junts]

I'll do this with my twf pally and see how fast it is, Stam.

[excess]

Those were khopeshes. Scimitars(holy sword version) looks like rapiers and you dont get 600 crits with em.

Awesome video btw!

I suppose I should have caught on from the fact he specifically mentioned not being proficient with khopeshes. The numbers did give me pause however, good catch.

Why not give us one with a Falchion?

Other question: did you have guards hitting at one point in there?

[Stamp3de]

I suppose I should have caught on from the fact he specifically mentioned not being proficient with khopeshes. The numbers did give me pause however, good catch.

Why not give us one with a Falchion?

Other question: did you have guards hitting at one point in there?

I would but cant make a falchion with holy sword spell. Orignally made a min 2 greataxe before they evened out all THF wep attack speeds.
I'll make a vid with a greatsword later if anyone wants.

And ya I just noticed my lightning strike went off, but it went of once in both vids, so I guess that evens it back out.

[Shade]

Great videos. Pretty solid THF skills too.

Can't read allot into a 24 second fight tho. I think most everyone agree's that in any fight you can unload smites like mad TWF is the best. THF could only hope to pull ahead in much much longer fights where the smites run thin.

Especially if you look at the numbers.. The TWF gets some nice 600 point smite crits, never seen that in the THF one, tho obviously those numbers and higher are possible givne some luck. Such a short size and the big randomness of crits can make for an inncurate comparison unless you do allot of runs.

Check my DPS challenge here and do a video on the portal, curious how fast you can get it down.

Coolest thing I noticed is that you can use your divine might and bladesworn transformation while madstoned.. I thought it prevented near everything. I might reincarnate one of my barbs as pally, looks pretty fun.

[Yargore]

Especially if you look at the numbers.. The TWF gets some nice 600 point smite crits, never seen that in the THF one, tho obviously those numbers and higher are possible givne some luck. Such a short size and the big randomness of crits can make for an inncurate comparison unless you do allot of runs.

The THF video shows a 700 crit in the end, and the TWF video shows 2 600 crits.
Considering that khopeshes has double crit range I would say that the videos are quite fair.

One thing the videos show for sure is that TWF is far superior to THF.

[QuantumFX]

Coolest thing I noticed is that you can use your divine might and bladesworn transformation while madstoned.. I thought it prevented near everything. I might reincarnate one of my barbs as pally, looks pretty fun.

Well, if you’re going for max Strength on one of your barbarians then you’re gonna have to do that anyway. LINK

[Junts]

Haha I went to do this myself, got halfway through sins and realized I'd forgotten any heal scrolls at all .. I'll give it a spin tomorrow.

[Stamp3de]

You ever get to try this Junts? Just curious.

[Shade]

Junts pally is sword and board so it's probably not gonna be quick like yours. He probably started sins right after he posted that, but is still working on it now. Give him a few more weeks and he may complete it

[Monkey_Archer]

The THF video shows a 700 crit in the end, and the TWF video shows 2 600 crits.
Considering that khopeshes has double crit range I would say that the videos are quite fair.

One thing the videos show for sure is that TWF is far superior to THF.

I disagree... adding GTWF would only be ~20% more dps or so (making the time around 19-20 seconds)
But... khopesh is a much better weapon for a pali due to the way smites/DS works... While the smites may be even, i didnt notice any crit DS in the THF video, while the khopsesh gets quite a few... Using a falchion would result in more dps for short term fights such as this one.

[Doomblade976]

Man thats some sick THF DPS, whats the build for that? Seeing videos like this make me realize how much my toons suck. Cheers DG

[Geonis]

I disagree... adding GTWF would only be ~20% more dps or so (making the time around 19-20 seconds)
But... khopesh is a much better weapon for a pali due to the way smites/DS works... While the smites may be even, i didnt notice any crit DS in the THF video, while the khopsesh gets quite a few... Using a falchion would result in more dps for short term fights such as this one.

TWF would also benefit from the additional 8 to hit with both hands (-8/-8 no TWF feats [without light offhand weapon] becomes -4/-4, and -4 from non-proficiency) making the TWF hit a lot more.

[Emili]

I disagree... adding GTWF would only be ~20% more dps or so (making the time around 19-20 seconds)
But... khopesh is a much better weapon for a pali due to the way smites/DS works... While the smites may be even, i didnt notice any crit DS in the THF video, while the khopsesh gets quite a few... Using a falchion would result in more dps for short term fights such as this one.

I’ve always run off the feel of the toon verses the number crunching… three years ago my smiting pally Amilia too a nerf in divine favor, Good strength and charisma the smiter’s forte. She was a 2HF … but weapon play in DDO makes a heck of a difference, Well as the khopeshes on the rest of my melee girls were outgrown I sent the hand-me-downs to Amy and respec’d her into TWF, this bred some life back into her then and later with dm, es and kotc she feels and plays nicely again. Fact being the weapon did much at the time.

Yes falchion has come to age... but who is to say that we're not quite right sized as of yet. Food for thought, if either style be perceived as the better, the idea of that which is second will eventually be perceived for not. If the twf Khopesh build, with all the investments which pertains to such (max str, req dex, 4 feats, double the crafting and weapons) were somehow overcome by the pure 2HF(max str, 3 feats) falchion weilder accross all dps clases, what would be it's purpose?

[Junts]

I disagree... adding GTWF would only be ~20% more dps or so (making the time around 19-20 seconds)
But... khopesh is a much better weapon for a pali due to the way smites/DS works... While the smites may be even, i didnt notice any crit DS in the THF video, while the khopsesh gets quite a few... Using a falchion would result in more dps for short term fights such as this one.

Considering Gula's AC, its likely that gtwf would increase his killspeed by a lot more than 20%. i would expect a 17-18 second kill for him with gtwf, and a 14-15 second kill for a pure paladin.