Build critique and question

[Lurissa]

Been reviewing a lot of posts and found one from Impaqt I liked and slightly modified it. Was wondering if he or anyone else could review this and let me know what you all think. I am going for mainly a solo type build (heals, full dungeon explore, et cetera).

There was one issue I encountered when doing this build. I have 17 dex and ITWF, but the darn builder would not let me choose GTWF ... not sure why. I hope someone can point out the flaw in my plan or the builder.

Any and all criticism is welcome as long as it is constructive (both good and bad).

I really appreciate the time anyone and everyone takes to place their input on my post.

Thank you all in advance.

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Lenissa 
Level 20 Chaotic Good Human Female
(12 Fighter \ 2 Rogue \ 6 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 322
Spell Points: 25 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 15
Will: 6

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    25
Dexterity            15                    17
Constitution         14                    15
Intelligence         14                    14
Wisdom               10                    10
Charisma              8                     8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               6                     7
Bluff                -1                     1
Concentration         2                     2
Diplomacy            -1                    -1
Disable Device        6                    23
Haggle                3                     3
Heal                  1.5                   1.5
Hide                  6                    19
Intimidate           -1                    -1
Jump                  7                    20
Listen                0                     0
Move Silently         6                    18
Open Lock             6                    24
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                     2
Search                6                    16
Spot                  4                     6
Swim                  3                     7
Tumble                3                     4
Use Magic Device      3                    22

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Heal (+1.5)
Skill: Hide (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Move Silently (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness
Enhancement: Rogue Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I


Level 2 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Enhancement: Ranger Hide I
Enhancement: Ranger Move Silently I
Enhancement: Rogue Open Lock I
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I


Level 3 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Mobility
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I


Level 4 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I


Level 5 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Spring Attack
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I


Level 6 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I


Level 7 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+3)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 9 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II


Level 10 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider


Level 11 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+2)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I


Level 13 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II


Level 14 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+5)
Skill: Open Lock (+5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I


Level 15 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 16 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III
Enhancement: Fighter Khopesh Specialization I
Enhancement: Ranger Search I
Enhancement: Ranger Search II


Level 17 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Ranger Hide II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III


Level 18 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Nimble Fingers
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Weapon Defense


Level 19 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy IV
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III

[Samadhi]

For the GTWF - were you trying to take it at a level too low where you did not meet the BAB req?

(Just a guess - i haven't used that toon planner in a good two years)

[Impaqt]

Dex needs to be a natrual 17 before any Enhancemnts.. Tomes and Level up points count. Enhancments and items do not.

So you could take a level up point in Dex at level 12 and eat a +1 Dex tome to Qualify. Or if you have a higher level alt, Farm/Buy a +2 Dex Tome.

build looks good except for Search Skill. Thats the most important rogue skill to keep maxxed out. If you fail a search you dotn even get the chance to try to disable the trap.

[Lurissa]

Ahh, that explains it. Thank you for your quick replies. Will have to rework that a bit then. Other then that how do you think the build will perform DPS wise and is it viable for soloing?

[Lurissa]

Ok so after taking the advice given I redid my build. This time i tried out both human and elf. I tried to keep them as similar as possible. this is the human build:

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Level 20 Lawful Good Human Female
(12 Fighter \ 2 Rogue \ 6 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 332
Spell Points: 25 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 18
Will: 9

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             15                    22
Dexterity            16                    20
Constitution         13                    14
Intelligence         14                    14
Wisdom               10                    10
Charisma              9                     9

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                     9
Bluff                -1                     1
Concentration         1                     2
Diplomacy            -1                    -1
Disable Device        6                    21
Haggle                3                     3
Heal                  0                     0
Hide                  7                    20
Intimidate           -1                    -1
Jump                  6                    12
Listen                3                     3
Move Silently         7                    20
Open Lock             7                    23
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                     2
Search                6                    23
Spot                  4                     6
Swim                  2                     6
Tumble                4                     6
Use Magic Device      3                    25

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Hide (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Listen (+3)
Skill: Move Silently (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Luck of Heroes
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I
Enhancement: Rogue Open Lock I
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I


Level 2 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Hide I
Enhancement: Ranger Move Silently I
Enhancement: Ranger Search I


Level 3 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I


Level 4 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I


Level 5 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Mobility
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I


Level 6 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Use Magic Device
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II


Level 7 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Ranger Hide II
Enhancement: Ranger Move Silently II
Enhancement: Ranger Search II


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 9 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Spring Attack
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II


Level 10 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider


Level 11 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Kensei Scimitar Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Strength I


Level 14 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+3)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+3)
Skill: Search (+2)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II


Level 15 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Iron Will
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III


Level 16 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Scimitar Specialization I


Level 17 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Selected) Stealthy
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness IV


Level 19 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Kensei Scimitar Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I

This is the elf build:

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Level 20 Lawful Good Elf Female
(12 Fighter \ 2 Rogue \ 6 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 292
Spell Points: 25 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 14
Reflex: 17
Will: 8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             15                    22
Dexterity            16                    20
Constitution         13                    13
Intelligence         14                    14
Wisdom               10                    10
Charisma             10                    10

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                     9
Bluff                 0                     2
Concentration         1                     1
Diplomacy             0                     0
Disable Device        6                    20
Haggle                3                     3
Heal                  0                     0
Hide                  7                    20
Intimidate            0                     0
Jump                  6                    12
Listen                0                     2
Move Silently         7                    20
Open Lock             7                    21
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                     2
Search                6                    22
Spot                  4                     8
Swim                  2                     6
Tumble                4                     6
Use Magic Device      4                    23

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Haggle (+3)
Skill: Hide (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Move Silently (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 2 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead
Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Elven Enchantment Resistance I
Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Damage I
Enhancement: Elven Perception I
Enhancement: Rogue Open Lock I
Enhancement: Ranger Search I
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I


Level 3 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge


Level 4 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Attack I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I


Level 5 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Mobility
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I


Level 6 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Nimble Fingers
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I
Enhancement: Ranger Hide I
Enhancement: Ranger Move Silently I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I


Level 7 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Elven Enchantment Resistance II


Level 9 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Spring Attack
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II


Level 10 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider


Level 11 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II


Level 13 (Fighter)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Kensei Scimitar Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I


Level 14 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+2)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II


Level 15 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Iron Will
Enhancement: Ranger Move Silently II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III


Level 16 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Scimitar Specialization I
Enhancement: Ranger Hide II


Level 17 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Selected) Stealthy
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III


Level 19 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Attack II
Enhancement: Valenar Elf Melee Damage II
Enhancement: Kensei Scimitar Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II

It appears as though the human build is better. I guess the question is though: Are the elf enhancement a deal breaker, because of the scimitar enc and the resist etc.? I am a bit a. retentive so I like to prefect a build before playing it.

Once again thank you to everyone in advance for your critiques, they are greatly appreciated.

[KoboldTrapper]

Not to be "1-dimensional", but why take ranger at all? replacing those with rogue levels will give you more skill points, and higher sneak attack & sneaking ability.

Kensai2/tempest1 could be really good, but I don't know it it's worth it. Kensai2/tempest1 may be a really good combo that I just don't know about, but I seriously don't see any reason for ranger levels for anything other than tempest1.

Endgame, this is probably a really good dps build, but my real questions about the build are as follows:
Have you played to level 20 yet, and if not, how do you know that the placement of these levels is appropriate to what you'll encounter AT those levels?

What will your gear be? Gear determines a whole lot of things that can make or break a build.

Sure, I'm a downer, but sometimes someone needs to question your build, burn a few things, break a few more things... Yea, I'm relatively new to DDO and most of the PrE benefits, but whatever, ya know? Call me a brainless noob, I really don't care. I know what I can/can't do. ^_^

[Lurissa]

Well to answer your first question no I have not leveled to 20, but that is why I am asking for the assistance. I am OCDish and want to plan out a good multi-class build first before running it through to the end. I have done extensive research on this topic and have found builds similar to these ones I made.

I extensively use Impaqt's builds for reference material. He seems to be very knowledgeable in the field and I feel if i follow the level splashes as he does it will fit into the progression of the game rather well. It may not be perfect but at least it is a far better way to begin than random splashes, skill ups, et cetera.

As for gear...I don't have a twenty so it will be farming for the items I may need or buying off AH if I can afford it. I plan on being a kopesher if I choose human (maybe half-ling) or scimitars if I chose Elf (do not have Drow yet). the gear will come, just working on a build so I can focus on what gear I may need as it comes.

Finally, as for the kensei/tempest builds. I have read numerous times that this is a solid dps build. It is used extensively for creating toons that are crazy damage dealers. If I am incorrect please tell me.

I am still wondering if the elf racial enhancements (scimitars, resistance) outweigh going with a human/kopesh for more skill points and one more feat. Or the possible damage output of a half-ling/kopesh(I hate thier run though). I can't seem to find a definite answer to this. I understand there may not be one, "to each his own" as they say.

[Lurissa]

Well after thorough tweaking and editing I believe i came up with the final product I plan to use. Let me know what you all think, especially Impaqt. I think i have the good balance between stealthiness, LPing, DDing, and UMD. Also a good setup for dps. I look forward to your input. Namely if I should take feats or skills in a different order or any other opinions on the build.

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Level 20 Lawful Good Human Female
(12 Fighter \ 2 Rogue \ 6 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 332
Spell Points: 25 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 18
Will: 9

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             15                    22
Dexterity            16                    20
Constitution         14                    15
Intelligence         14                    14
Wisdom               10                    10
Charisma              8                     8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                     9
Bluff                -1                     1
Concentration         2                     2
Diplomacy            -1                    -1
Disable Device        6                    23
Haggle                3                     3
Heal                  0                     0
Hide                  7                    21
Intimidate           -1                    -1
Jump                  6                    11
Listen                3                     3
Move Silently         7                    21
Open Lock             7                    19
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                     2
Search                6                    23
Spot                  4                     6
Swim                  2                     6
Tumble                4                     6
Use Magic Device      3                    22

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Hide (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Listen (+3)
Skill: Move Silently (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness


Level 2 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead


Level 3 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh


Level 4 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting


Level 5 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Mobility


Level 6 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+3)
Skill: Move Silently (+3)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Luck of Heroes


Level 7 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+3)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 9 (Fighter)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+3)
Skill: Move Silently (+3)
Skill: Search (+2)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider


Level 11 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 14 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+3)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Search (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)


Level 15 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 16 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 17 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Iron Will
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack


Level 19 (Fighter)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost II
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery I
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Fighter Khopesh Specialization I
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Dexterity I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I
Enhancement: Ranger Hide I
Enhancement: Ranger Hide II
Enhancement: Ranger Move Silently I
Enhancement: Ranger Move Silently II
Enhancement: Rogue Open Lock I
Enhancement: Ranger Search I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness IV
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I

This is a build without tomes, seeing as how I do not have a toon to obtain them and barely any money to buy any .

[hermespan]

Dex needs to be a natrual 17 before any Enhancemnts.. Tomes and Level up points count. Enhancments and items do not.

So you could take a level up point in Dex at level 12 and eat a +1 Dex tome to Qualify. Or if you have a higher level alt, Farm/Buy a +2 Dex Tome.

build looks good except for Search Skill. Thats the most important rogue skill to keep maxxed out. If you fail a search you dotn even get the chance to try to disable the trap.

Actually tomes do *not* count. They are classed as an inherent bonus and not counted for feat requirements of ITWF and GTWF. I just went through it so I know. This may or may not be a bug, but as the game stands now, tomes don't count, at least for ITWF and GTWF.

I went into level 12 with a 17 dex (naked before enhancements) had to spend my point on dex to raise my base dex to 17 (18 with tome inherent bonus) from 16(17 with tome), and then the game let me pick ITWF and GTWF. I tried putting the level up point into strength first. With tome's inherent bonus, I now have 18 Dex.

Whether or not they are *supposed* to count (I thought they did too) is a different matter altogether.

I'm not saying you are wrong, only that the game doesn't behave like you describe, currently, at least with regard to ITWF and GTWF. I personally think it's bugged and should behave the way you describe.

-h

[Impaqt]

Actually tomes do *not* count. They are classed as an inherent bonus and not counted for feat requirements of ITWF and GTWF. I just went through it so I know. This may or may not be a bug, but as the game stands now, tomes don't count, at least for ITWF and GTWF.

I went into level 12 with a 17 dex (naked before enhancements) had to spend my point on dex to raise my base dex to 17 (18 with tome inherent bonus) from 16(17 with tome), and then the game let me pick ITWF and GTWF. I tried putting the level up point into strength first. With tome's inherent bonus, I now have 18 Dex.

Whether or not they are *supposed* to count (I thought they did too) is a different matter altogether.

I'm not saying you are wrong, only that the game doesn't behave like you describe, currently, at least with regard to ITWF and GTWF.

-h

I currently have at least 3 of my characters that started with a 15 Base dex that ate +2 Dex tomes to qualify for I/GTWF.

I just started 2 More as well.

the game has operated this way as long as Ican remember. If it isnt right now, It due to a bug with how the Devs have fiddled with the way TOmes are applied due to Reincarnation and our new Minimum Levels.

Please file a bug report.

I would be interested in seeing your build as well.

[Impaqt]

Well after thorough tweaking and editing I believe i came up with the final product I plan to use. Let me know what you all think, especially Impaqt. I think i have the good balance between stealthiness, LPing, DDing, and UMD. Also a good setup for dps. I look forward to your input. Namely if I should take feats or skills in a different order or any other opinions on the build.

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Level 20 Lawful Good Human Female
(12 Fighter \ 2 Rogue \ 6 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 332
Spell Points: 25 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 18
Will: 9

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             15                    22
Dexterity            16                    20
Constitution         14                    15
Intelligence         14                    14
Wisdom               10                    10
Charisma              8                     8

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                     9
Bluff                -1                     1
Concentration         2                     2
Diplomacy            -1                    -1
Disable Device        6                    23
Haggle                3                     3
Heal                  0                     0
Hide                  7                    21
Intimidate           -1                    -1
Jump                  6                    11
Listen                3                     3
Move Silently         7                    21
Open Lock             7                    19
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                     2
Search                6                    23
Spot                  4                     6
Swim                  2                     6
Tumble                4                     6
Use Magic Device      3                    22

Level 1 (Rogue)
Skill: Balance (+4)
Skill: Disable Device (+4)
Skill: Haggle (+4)
Skill: Hide (+4)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Listen (+3)
Skill: Move Silently (+4)
Skill: Open Lock (+4)
Skill: Search (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+4)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness


Level 2 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Undead


Level 3 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh


Level 4 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: DEX
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting


Level 5 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Mobility


Level 6 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+3)
Skill: Move Silently (+3)
Skill: Search (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Luck of Heroes


Level 7 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+3)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)


Level 8 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 9 (Fighter)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Hide (+3)
Skill: Move Silently (+3)
Skill: Search (+2)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider


Level 11 (Ranger)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Search (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 14 (Rogue)
Skill: Disable Device (+3)
Skill: Open Lock (+2)
Skill: Search (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+3)


Level 15 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 16 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 17 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+1)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Skill: Disable Device (+0.5)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Iron Will
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack


Level 19 (Fighter)
Skill: Open Lock (+1)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Open Lock (+0.5)
Skill: Search (+0.5)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost II
Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost I
Enhancement: Ranger Skill Boost II
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery I
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Fighter Khopesh Specialization I
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Constitution I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Dexterity I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness III
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I
Enhancement: Ranger Hide I
Enhancement: Ranger Hide II
Enhancement: Ranger Move Silently I
Enhancement: Ranger Move Silently II
Enhancement: Rogue Open Lock I
Enhancement: Ranger Search I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Fighter Strength III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness IV
Enhancement: Rogue Improved Trap Sense I

This is a build without tomes, seeing as how I do not have a toon to obtain them and barely any money to buy any .

Looks pretty good.. I thing investing 2 feats to get your will save up to a 9 is a really poor return on your investment though...

[Lurissa]

Well, I started playing this build and am almost level 7. I rethought the build a little, I chose to take spring attack instead of luck of heroes. I was planning to just take the 2 feats for saves at the end. If you are saying they are pointless I am not to sure what to replace it with. Maybe two weapon defense and stealthy/nimble fingers. Or maybe two skill focuses...UMD and something else. Just seems the options are kinda limited with all the feat choices I get as I gain levels. If you have any suggestions, I am open to them.

I also did go Kopesh focus, but some people I have talked to say they are not the best dps weapons. I like the look of them but damage is my first focus. My build does include critical range increase so I am not sure if maybe dwarf axes or bastard swords would be better.

Thanks for the feedback. Been fun so far instancing with this toon.