When to drop group...

[Zynthar]

I can second the headless chickens analogy. My groups seem to be a mix of zerg, zerg-lite and just random afk's lol.


Ah well. I started the thread out of a sense of frustration and desire for some levity. I think we've about exhausted it.


If you'd like to show me some of the tricks though Ghoste, I really would appreciate it. My highest so far is my old pre-mod1 28 point fighter Gorgim. I hope they get Greater Reincarnate done before he qualifies for True Reincarnate!! I'm still not sure why I did what I did with what I did... o.O

[Xalted_Vol]

GoGoGo
The Warforge doesn't have full health at the beginning of quest and does not know what potions are.
People say don't worry we will be fine I just soloed this with my blah blah blah.

[Quikster]

I read 2 pages of this drivel then stopped.

Think back to your first month playing this game. You were some if not all of the previous comments in post until you got better/more plat/found core group of friends to group etc, etc, etc.

This group therapy thread is dead.

Loosen up.

[Ghoste]

I don't know what server you're on, but I mean it when I recommend trying a permadeath guild. These guys go in with the will and the self imposed motivation to figure out the ins and outs and best ways to function together.

If you want to try something with me, I'm currently trying to organize a low level static group through the guild Warriors Soul (Argonnessen). I'm trying to get mostly newer players in the group. It will be an all warforged party, and I will be designing each character. The group will only level up to about lvl 5 or 6 together, during which time I hope to get them really working well together. After that I set them loose, and hope to see them shine.

[Katrina]

*Snip* the absolute best healer you can ever find is your own **** self. Anything more is just icing on the cake.

Truer words never spoke.

[Zynthar]

I don't know what server you're on, but I mean it when I recommend trying a permadeath guild. These guys go in with the will and the self imposed motivation to figure out the ins and outs and best ways to function together.

If you want to try something with me, I'm currently trying to organize a low level static group through the guild Warriors Soul (Argonnessen). I'm trying to get mostly newer players in the group. It will be an all warforged party, and I will be designing each character. The group will only level up to about lvl 5 or 6 together, during which time I hope to get them really working well together. After that I set them loose, and hope to see them shine.

That sounds like a cool idea. I'm all on Sarlona though. *points at forum name*

Good luck with your group! I'm still trying to wrap my head around Warforged being so GOOD now. When I originally played, they were not NEARLY as nice as they are now.. all the immunities added, the enhancements and all that... yeah. I've had fun with the WF barb I finally gave in and rolled up.

[Mithran]

Any time the party doesn't run as advertised, I regard it as a breach of contract and feel free to drop. . .

Exhibit 1. Co6 No Greymoon

Party Leader. "Okay, since two in the party need Greymoon, so we'll do that first."
Me. "Good luck."

Exhibit 2. Litany of the Dead

Me. "Which side are you running?"
Party Leader. "We need all four, so we'll be running all of them."
Me. "My Paladin needs Cinnis and Doomsphere." If they'd run those for my Paladin, I'd have relogged as either Arcane or Cleric for the others.
Other party member takes us to Vol
Me. "Good luck."

[Kalari]

You know yesterday really showed me how hard it is pugging low-mid levels and im so glad my new build is getting to the level where she doesnt have to do it much anymore. Met lots of nice new players and ran with some others building up their new alts. But the level of complete jerks and morons has made it where Ive dropped group or ran like heck after a quest completed shocked that it did complete.

Two case scenarios from yesterday has sealed me pugging a lot less now. First situation was running the orchard explorer. Cleric wasnt capable of healing multiple people it happens, you would think that most would know to carry pots and top themselves off...yeah right. I end up having to take them around since no one else really knew the area. Thats fine I was wide awake and ready to rack up xp. So were talking chit chatting we messed the one rare where you protect the guy so instead of everyone recalling since they all died safe one who was smart enough to get away I recall fill up get back to them since we had killed the giant skeleton before hand and the chest had not been open. Strike one for the cleric since I didnt count the lack of heals on us was arguing with me that there was no chest. Not even a thank you as I got her ass to the shrine to raise up just kept doubting that id lead them to loot...

Then one of the guys asked me about my guild hes new and was looking for a home so I explain to him about Lost Legions and the cleric decides to attack drinking and getting confrontational about how its not fun...So I decide at this point to ignore her shes not really that good at what she does and the guys at this point I think are only keeping her because they dont want to offend a chick.. A few drop and we were going to help another new joiner get his explorers and rares we pick up a bard who keeps asking where we are we explain it over and over the orchard. They ask "what quest are you in." We say the orchard explorers. After some time saying back of house p no its not Threnal she smartly comments "You should have just said Necropolis..."

I dropped group after that gladly I used up resources to help with curses, poisons buffed people and the leader had the nerve to question my mana use after I buffed everyone took on the wagon and rats while most of them were dying.. So yeah explorer areas will be solo for me or with guild/good friends only.

Next was Tempest spine got a tell while in the bank by some new guy who wanted to know if id help. I should have said no but I noticed two people I knew in the group and said alright. I get pulled into a group with people who had no clue what they were talking about yelling over mic at the guy with the star who was making all kinds of bad decisions. And this is the kicker I didnt join this group by clicking the lfm I was asked in a tell and one of the guys a very loud one says "we need someone to use their mic and lead the group.." what? Why would I join tempest spine to lead it? Id put it together myself if I wanted to do that. And it never ceases to amaze me that by level 10+ how many people still dont know to have poison immunity. Casters who dont understand you cant firewall golems and the silly things that has gone on. But the yelling is what got me the one guy panicked because people went forward in the first golem room and a few people got locked out. The golem was dead in less then 2 mins but he about had a cow. The same guy died a few times trying to pull ice to so I should have dropped then but the two people I knew and I made a drinking game from it...

Needless to say last night I got kinda buzzed not enough to forget though I should have drank that much. Runs like this are real eye openers and I now refuse to use anymore curse removals, poison neutralization, or lesser restores willy nilly anymore. Its one thing to help new players but some of the people I ran with yesterday should have known better and didnt.

[Krag]

Here's my top one:
Anytime someone in the party expresses concern that we don't have a healer, I take it as a sign of impending doom.

With only a few exceptions, like the end fight in the Shroud which was designed to be pretty hard (albeit not impossible) to do without a set healer or two, the absolute best healer you can ever find is your own **** self. Anything more is just icing on the cake.

True enough for the guild party where everyone is a good player and knows the quest better than his way home. I won't play a PUG with no healer because you never know if the others are selfsufficient.

[vegabond1969]

Party Leader says to you "Can you open this on Elite? I've never ran it before." True enough last night on HiPs. I logged and went to bed...

[Kalari]

Ugh just a few mins ago Wiz king elite party leader decides to switch up and do desert caravan then want us all to recall... because he needed level 4 components for his firewalls...

sigh

[foxx]

Stormcleave Group.

"Share Plz"

(Party):Quikster has left your party.

LMAO,
ya the share quest on a walk up is a SURE drop group sign.

[Jorthyf]

LFM: Tear of Dhakaan on Normal level 5-7
I join with my level 7 barb / fighter

The leader asks me "Can you get the STR lever?"
I say "Well I got 23 so we'll be fine."

I walk to the entrance...I see that the leader is a level 5 ranger equipped with a bow.

I say "Do you use TWF at all?"
He replies "Nope."

DROP!

[Ghoste]

True enough for the guild party where everyone is a good player and knows the quest better than his way home. I won't play a PUG with no healer because you never know if the others are self sufficient.

LFM: <insert quest name here> be self sufficient.

You are right though. Even when you try to make it clear to people joining what you are looking for, you always get at least one bozo joining who asks "Wait! Why didn't you get a cleric for the last spot?!!"

[Gypsy_Mouse]

You know yesterday really showed me how hard it is pugging low-mid levels and im so glad my new build is getting to the level where she doesnt have to do it much anymore. Met lots of nice new players and ran with some others building up their new alts. But the level of complete jerks and morons has made it where Ive dropped group or ran like heck after a quest completed shocked that it did complete.

I have to completely second this sentiment.

As a rather new person to this server (about 4 months), I don't have the luxury of many established friends or even acquaintences. It has been extremely painful finding good groups to run with at low to mid levels. Finding groups without someone piking the whole quest or causing near party wipes (two of the worst case scenarios so far) has been rare yet that's too often in my book. But, just finding groups where following directions is a given or asking questions if unfamiliar is almost downright impossible.

I'm hoping that once past level 12, I'll finally be able to group more with competent players and not feel like an adult who's been banished to the kiddies' table at Thanksgiving where manners aren't necessary and leaving the table in the middle of dinner is acceptable.

[vegabond1969]

Desert just 10 mins ago. I was forming group for the Tombs there and just dropping random spawns while we waited for group to form. A lvl 11 Monk runs up that I had just invited. (S)he sits down next to me and meditates. Here comes three mummies and 2 zombies. My wife and I are fighting them, still he meditates. Wife gets dropped, he grabs her stone. I go to clear shrine near Wiz King, again he meditates. I get dropped, he rushes over and pulls the mob. I rez, wife rez, he puls mob back to shrine. I tell him to pull them away, he begins to orbit shrine area. After third rez wife and I decided this wasnt the group we wanted and bailed. Yea it took 3 times...

[RoboVanguard]

I sometimes say weird things (like gogogo) when I'm bored xD But normally it's for the sake of saying them.
On the subject of clerics... they're nice to have for the benefit of making up for the random factor, but I don't think they're absolutely essential in most cases. Some exceptions come to mind, but that's just me.

Things that make me drop group, being a melee class (fighter/paladin):
Come to VoD. We're already in.

Somehow soloing in the sub trying to get to VoD in 20 minutes as a melee class doesn't appeal to me very much >.>

[MorningStarSE]

Bringing up a lowbie fvs that's heal spec'd has been painful.
I ran a 'thrall of the necromancer' the other night, lvl's 7-9... shoulda been fun....
Had 3 deaths in the fire trap at the begining... I should have taken that as a sign.
10 raise scrolls, 8 cure serious wands and an hour of painful healing later we finally drop the end guy and I hear from the (non-trap removing) rogue, "Wow... that was the easiest quest I've been on!"

/cry

Its funny and sad at the same time :-\..

But what is sadder I don't have story to tell..

[foxx]

I sometimes say weird things (like gogogo) when I'm bored xD But normally it's for the sake of saying them.
On the subject of clerics... they're nice to have for the benefit of making up for the random factor, but I don't think they're absolutely essential in most cases. Some exceptions come to mind, but that's just me.

Things that make me drop group, being a melee class (fighter/paladin):
Come to VoD. We're already in.

Somehow soloing in the sub trying to get to VoD in 20 minutes as a melee class doesn't appeal to me very much >.>

don't take this the wrong way but if yer worth yer salt as a melee and the mobs have been killed once , you 1 should be able to get to Vod by yerself, or 2 need to reroll.

[dcp101]

People dropping from group because the ranger prefers to use bows over TWF or someone else (probably a new player) wanting to loot a chest all the vets ignore? Is this the type of player community we're fostering here?

Being a healer I've seen some really bad PUGs and most of the time its always one or a few players who think with a healer that somehow makes them immortal to the game and go gung-ho in every room without waiting for everyone else in group. /recall