When to drop group...

[moops]

Well that would depend on the 1st cleric wouldn't it.... I am sure that sadly we all know of some clerics who need a healbot for themselves...

LOL so true. . .

[Kalari]

Im really starting to think at low levels its easier to run alone or find other friends who have alts and short manning threw quests now. Its been painful between those who dont read lfm's, droppers because they tried to join a pay to play quest as free to play and just dealing with child like people ive been prone more then ever to leave a group. Lowbie running is tedious enough at times having to hand hold and babysit and pull people threw quests youve run thousands of times is not fun at all.

[Krag]

If your cleric wasted half of his mana bar to prevent party wipe within first thirty seconds of entering quest, run away screaming.

Fixed for you.

[Warhulk]

Stormcleave Group.

"Share Plz"

(Party):Quikster has left your party.

Had that on a Waterworks run last night. Asks to share the quest while standing at the entrance.

[Tarackian]

I'm crying just reading this.......

Bringing up a lowbie fvs that's heal spec'd has been painful.
I ran a 'thrall of the necromancer' the other night, lvl's 7-9... shoulda been fun....
Had 3 deaths in the fire trap at the begining... I should have taken that as a sign.
10 raise scrolls, 8 cure serious wands and an hour of painful healing later we finally drop the end guy and I hear from the (non-trap removing) rogue, "Wow... that was the easiest quest I've been on!"

/cry

[SolarDawning]

Two things that make me stop and think "Do I really want to play with these people?"

#1: "We need a healer"
#2 "Armor class is useless, anyways" (Heard this one this morning.)

[Tarackian]

I think we all have seen the level of play go down since the F2P started. For good or bad i cast no blame, this is just my observation. I pug a lot and my pugging has been curtailed somewhat because of this very issue. Just the nature of the beast I guess.

[transtemporal]

Anyone else got any signs of impending doom?

No communication, one or two guys constantly afk with no reason, cleric has no mana after the first fight, caster doesn't haste but doesn't seem to cast much either, tank doesn't seem to be able to kill anything...

And the ever popular "We've failed this twice now, but third time lucky!"

[Alavatar]

Any LFM that says:

"ELITE . Need opener"

I avoid like the plague. Which explains why I mostly solo until about L10 or L12...

[Ithrani]

Any group with Quik.

Any Black Mantis Group.

[Zynthar]

"It's ok, I did this in beta, np"

[Zynthar]

dang, I need to add my lowbies to my sig, maybe I can get some pity groups out of my frustrated postings lol.

[Kalari]

Sigh I had to just leave a redwillow group its becoming painfully obvious that I have no patience left for lowbie groups. Little mistakes that I used to laugh at and try to help with now aggrivate me. And when your in a group with a leader who blind invites others doesnt know how to pull aggro and your squishy caster is about the last man standing..

Yeah its time to drop group go cool down and wonder if its too early for a strong drink

sigh

[justagame]

This is a pet peeve of mine. When playing my cleric, I join a pug where the LFM said normal -- where normal will be a good challenge for a party of the given level.

However, I've had too many instances where I join, and someone says "oh good, a healer, now we can run it on elite." Not because they are well-equipped toons played by experienced players, but just because they have a babysitter.

Great. My job just went from capable offensive caster and healer, to scroll-using, wand-whipping, potion-guzzling nannybot for a quest that will be an expensive lost cause.

I have learned the hard way to ask to play at the level stated by the lfm, and I'll happily drop group and something else otherwise.

[Beld]

but if there is a particularly tough fight or a specific tactic that needs to be employed and ppl don't listen then wipe, yeah, you need to find another punching bag.

Have gotten a lot less forgiving of my time, if there is little hope of completing either because of group makeup, failure of ppl to communicate or failure to consider others enjoyment of the game, I just drop, I don't recall and keep trying when I know (can't KNOW for certain as I have seen things get pulled out of a hat at the last minute to get a win) it can't be completed in a reasonable amount of time, I would rather write off the time already wasted and move on than continue to waste time that I know can't be gotten back.

This seems to becoming more prevalent as more of the newer players reach the mid to upper levels with little idea of how to play/cooperate other than throwing massive amounts of resources/brawn at a situation and hope you get a lucky crit to help you win.

Also, pet peave of mine lately as I am leveling my mid level cleric atm, fortification, for those that don't know, your will HAVE TO HAVE IT in the Gianthold area and beyond or you will be continually one/two shotted by crits, even if you have a lot of hit points.

As an aside, squishy or not, if a +30% cure light heals you from 1/4 of your life to max beyond lvl 10, you need more con, better items or a re-evaluation of your toon.

[Krag]

Sigh. There are still people who are willing to support stupidity with their own copper.

[Linenoise2]

I've grown more discriminating at the LFM panel when I started leveling up my Fvs. I too frequently see a group of 5 LFM; In the comments it says "Need Healer" or "Healer only plz'. Then on the list of classes they are looking for they only have a cleric listed.

Another thing I see a lot of is level 4-5 players wanting to do level 8-9 quests and wanting to do them on hard/elite. Favor ***** has turned into a dirty word.

[stilldamom]

This is a pet peeve of mine. When playing my cleric, I join a pug where the LFM said normal -- where normal will be a good challenge for a party of the given level.

However, I've had too many instances where I join, and someone says "oh good, a healer, now we can run it on elite." Not because they are well-equipped toons played by experienced players, but just because they have a babysitter.

Great. My job just went from capable offensive caster and healer, to scroll-using, wand-whipping, potion-guzzling nannybot for a quest that will be an expensive lost cause.

I have learned the hard way to ask to play at the level stated by the lfm, and I'll happily drop group and something else otherwise.

This is so true! Once in a great while I have a wonderful group starter that will offer heal/rez scrolls. Other than that, that's exactly what it seems we are. At 1300+ Plat a pop for a heal scroll, I'm thinking of taking donations before the start of any quest with 4+ people.

[Quikster]

This is a pet peeve of mine. When playing my cleric, I join a pug where the LFM said normal -- where normal will be a good challenge for a party of the given level.

However, I've had too many instances where I join, and someone says "oh good, a healer, now we can run it on elite." Not because they are well-equipped toons played by experienced players, but just because they have a babysitter.

Great. My job just went from capable offensive caster and healer, to scroll-using, wand-whipping, potion-guzzling nannybot for a quest that will be an expensive lost cause.

I have learned the hard way to ask to play at the level stated by the lfm, and I'll happily drop group and something else otherwise.

I usually try to avoid any group looking for a cleric. There are some quests I will only do at certain levels etc with a cleric, but I usually dont put a pug up for them, I try to get a group together and do other things until we get a decent cleric in group, then I suggest said quest.

[moops]

I have to say, Ive met some very good F2P players, and to me this particular time period in DDO is no different then when I started in Beta and many many people including myself did not know exactly what to do and where to go, and a few people were pros right from the start--like my BF who could solo all the content while I struggled just to keep up with him.

When we were pugging b4 F2P-- chances were that at least half if not more of your your party had done the quest a 100 times before and were also twinked---Now if I pug Im usually the only one who has ever done the quest b4, and I find it kind of fun watching people discover new things, it reminds me of the olden days