When to drop group...

[woundweaver]

when a party burns 3000 sp's for ressing and healing, plus 2 other healers' mana on the way to vod. and dont even make it close to the first shrine. *ding* bad idea.

[rest]

when a party burns 3000 sp's for ressing and healing, plus 2 other healers' mana on the way to vod. and dont even make it close to the first shrine. *ding* bad idea.

I told you to stay out of those Black Mantis groups, wound!

[squeenohyoshii]

In my short time playing this game, this is what I avoid in a group (and yes, some times even /ragelog )

- When the Sorc thinks they are the uber tank and go rushing headlon into oblivion
- When I ask for someone to be the leader of a chaotic group, and no one pays attention
- When some "vet" think he's the know-it-all and does nothing but berate the group in voice chat...they need to learn how to instruct and not implode. If that doesn't work, just leave group I guess.
- Anyone who blind-invites me..I SO hate that!
- Groups who demand Clerics have DV
- Groups that form, and then sand around for 30mins deciding what quest to do
- All "Tank/Caster" groups
- Groups who think Rogues serve no purpose and die in traps and blame everyone but themselves

I could go on...but why? Everyone else has done a great job summarizing already lol

[Kalari]

So do most of the LL crew :P

LOL I should so be in bed...

and that is my derail got to rest tonight is drunken raid night

[Zynthar]

LOL I should so be in bed...

and that is my derail got to rest tonight is drunken raid night

I had gotten the impression that EVERY raid was a drunken raid?

[Kalari]

I had gotten the impression that EVERY raid was a drunken raid?

Well for me every raid requires some booze but fridays are special we tend to really let loose

[Zynthar]

Aaah, okay, as long as you're the healer its all good. I've noticed healers tend to heal BEST when drunk! (Mostly because I can bribe them into healing me by then.)

[Kalari]

As I told Spyderwolf booze and pink swords thats enough to bribe my healers

[Ghoste]

Here's my top one:

...without healers and down two . . .

Anytime someone in the party expresses concern that we don't have a healer, I take it as a sign of impending doom.

With only a few exceptions, like the end fight in the Shroud which was designed to be pretty hard (albeit not impossible) to do without a set healer or two, the absolute best healer you can ever find is your own **** self. Anything more is just icing on the cake.

[QuantumFX]

Ya but then you complain when the fodder has better diplomacy than you

I only complain about diplomacy when I don’t have enough to open the last explorer/rare in the Restless Isles.

[wemery73]

Stormcleave Group.

"Share Plz"

(Party):Quikster has left your party.

Roflol

[Zynthar]

Here's my top one:
Anytime someone in the party expresses concern that we don't have a healer, I take it as a sign of impending doom.

With only a few exceptions, like the end fight in the Shroud which was designed to be pretty hard (albeit not impossible) to do without a set healer or two, the absolute best healer you can ever find is your own **** self. Anything more is just icing on the cake.

So you're saying except for the end of one raid, I don't need a healer to do anything at all, ever?

Kay.

I'll add that to my drop group list.

[Zippo]

When the cleric in high level content asks the question

What is a heal scroll?

ding gone

OMG I had that happen the other day. My guild mate was the party lead and we both said it at the same time in guild chat "Drop em"

[Ghoste]

So you're saying except for the end of one raid, I don't need a healer to do anything at all, ever?

Kay.

I'll add that to my drop group list.

I am not saying that you do not, i am saying that you should not. Whether you do or do not is up to how intelligently you have decided to play your own character.

-Do you often ask yourself between fights why the cleric is not topping up your health, as opposed to doing it yourself?
-Do you often get in over your head with too much agro, and run back to the group seeking help with killing them?
-Do you play rangers and paladins without carrying plenty of wands for self healing?
-Do you rarely, if ever, buy healing potions?
-Do you find yourself frequently "reminding" the cleric to heal you?
-Do you frequently fight outside of the crowd control that has been laid out?
-Do you never use the crowd control available to melee? (trip, stunning blow, sap, etc)
-Do you rush into groups of monsters, as opposed to fighting them at choke points?
-Do you usually fight in the middle of the room, instead of at the entrances?

I could add more questions, but that should suffice. If you have answered yes to any of these questions, then you should already know why you are so pathetically dependent on babysitters...er clerics, in all your parties.

Also, I would take it as a huge favor if you were to add me to your personal blacklist. If you are saying you would rather not have someone in the party who will not be taking up cleric resources, that you would rather add someone else who leans on the cleric as you do...lol, that is awesome, you do that. Is that not fewer sp from the cleric available to you? No, that is not what it is about, I hurt your pride, and you do not want to group with me anymore because of that. In addition to that, take a look at this thread (edit: oops, wrong thread. Should be right link now) for a more comprehensive list of people that you should really consider blacklisting (and I am not saying that for your benefit, but for theirs).

PS it is a personal pet peave of mine when people misquote me. Do you see how?

So you're saying except for the end of one raid

With only a few exceptions, like the end fight in the Shroud

Coming from a founder, of all people. After all this time, you of all people should not be so frightened by not having a cleric. Shameful...

[Kalari]

Have to agree with Ghoste not just because I play clerics, but because ive duo'ed and three personed quests with friends and guildies where we took care of ourselves. And no not just on warforged. If you play smart you can get threw most of the content sans healer. Healers make quests go smooth yes but anyone playing for a long time can learn self sufficiency to the point where a healer is only needed if the some odd rough patch happens.

Besides the major raids and even then in achievements you already have people who have done it without clerics or favored souls there was even a sorc who soloed epic wiz king. Its possible.

[Ghoste]

Besides the major raids and even then in achievements you already have people who have done it without clerics or favored souls there was even a sorc who soloed epic wiz king. Its possible.

Speaking of which, did that asian guy (Oddball or Oddjob, or something like that) finally succeed in soloing the Shroud? I know he got to the last fight, and he also solo'd VoD.

[Kalari]

Not sure but wouldnt be surprised if he did

[Erekose]

I read 2 pages of this drivel then stopped.

Think back to your first month playing this game. You were some if not all of the previous comments in post until you got better/more plat/found core group of friends to group etc, etc, etc.

This group therapy thread is dead.

[Zynthar]

Coming from a founder, of all people. After all this time, you of all people should not be so frightened by not having a cleric. Shameful...

I think you're missing my points, and yours are apparently going right over my head... but as to above, I played for the first year or so of DDO, then wandered off due to obscene lack of content. I came back a few months ago, before mod 9 after I got burned out on the game I was playing. I didn't even know about mod 9 or the F2P or anything like that.. I just missed the awesome combat system in DDO and came back hoping there was more content!

I have limited resources really... I believe it IS possible to do all you say, but for someone like me, it's not really feasible. Just a matter of a lack of resources and lack of quest knoweldge. My common refrain when I actually manage to get into a guild group is, "You'll have to tell me what to do."

I DO top myself off with potions and all, try to fight in doors and all the other tactical things. Sometimes though, you just need a good healer (and buff's don't hurt!) That's from me playing as a straight fighter though. I got no doubt you can do without when running with your guildies and friends and all that have been doing without and have it all memorized. *shrugs* Those of us that are newer, despite what forum tag says?

Bring on the healer!

[Ghoste]

Quest knowledge has nothing to do with it. I have successfully solo'd several of the new quests my first time through, having heard nothing from others about what to expect. And I am far from being the only one who can make that claim. Lack of quest knowledge can be made up for with some patience and proper scouting.

Give a permadeath guild a try. They will make you feel like you are playing a whole new game. The way they work together as a party, whatever class happens to be in there at the time, will make your present parties look like a bunch of headless chickes running around flapping at the walls.