Tempestuous Kensai of the Chalice

[Elanthil01]

Ok here is my take on the 6 ranger/14 paladin version:

As before, lets critique it and detail this puppy!

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The Smiting Tempest
Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
(14 Paladin \ 6 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 248
Spell Points: 286 
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 22
Reflex: 18
Will: 14

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             15                 20                   20
Dexterity            14                 15                   16
Constitution         11                 13                   14
Intelligence         13                 14                   14
Wisdom               13                 14                   14
Charisma             13                 14                   18

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 4
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 4
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 4
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 4
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 4
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 4

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills        Base Skills        Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)          (Level 20)
Balance               4                 12                   12
Bluff                 1                  4                    4
Concentration         0                 24                   24
Diplomacy             1                 11                   11
Disable Device        n/a               n/a                   n/a
Haggle                1                  4                    4
Heal                  1                 10                   10
Hide                  6                 10                   10
Intimidate            3                 15                   15
Jump                  6                 15                   15
Listen                5                 10                   10
Move Silently         6                 10                   10
Open Lock             n/a               n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a               n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                  2                    2
Search                1                  2                    2
Spot                  5                 10                   10
Swim                  2                  5                    5
Tumble                n/a                4                    4
Use Magic Device      3                 15                   15

Level 1 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Hide (+4)
Skill: Intimidate (+2)
Skill: Jump (+4)
Skill: Listen (+4)
Skill: Move Silently (+4)
Skill: Spot (+4)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Human Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I


Level 2 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Tumble (+1)


Level 3 (Paladin)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Mobility
Enhancement: Paladin Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Defense I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Resistance I
Enhancement: Paladin Devotion I
Enhancement: Ranger Dexterity I


Level 4 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I


Level 5 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+3)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I


Level 6 (Ranger)
Skill: Concentration (+3)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Listen (+2)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost II
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Constitution I


Level 7 (Ranger)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Chaotic Outsider
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage II


Level 8 (Ranger)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Hide (+1)
Skill: Jump (+3)
Skill: Listen (+1)
Skill: Move Silently (+1)
Skill: Spot (+1)
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Attack I
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I


Level 9 (Paladin)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I


Level 10 (Paladin)
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+2)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Enhancement: Paladin Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Devotion II
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I


Level 11 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I


Level 12 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+1)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Defense
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Righteousness I
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice I


Level 13 (Paladin)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Charisma I


Level 14 (Paladin)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good II


Level 15 (Paladin)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar II


Level 16 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good II


Level 17 (Paladin)
Skill: Concentration (+3)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II


Level 18 (Paladin)
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Heal (+3)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II


Level 19 (Paladin)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Skill: Use Magic Device (+1)
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma III


Level 20 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Concentration (+3)
Skill: Intimidate (+1)
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands III
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil III
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice II
Enhancement: Paladin Redemption I

[Elanthil01]

OOPS! I reversed the order of two levels near the start.

It should have been 1 ranger then 3 paladin, then back to ranger.

I'll fix it and repost.

[excess]

Min/Max Breakdown of 14/6 Pal/Ranger Split:

-:
capstone: 1d6/2d6 against evil creatures
KotCIII: +2 to hit and 2d6 loss (+2/2d6 vs +4/4d6)
DM3/4: +4 damage loss
DS3: 2d6 damage loss (7d6 vs 9d6)

+:
tempestI: 10% speed bonus (stacks with Zeal, also 10%)
2 Favored Enemies + enhancements: +8 damage
Ram's Might: +2/+2 Damage/Str - +3 total


This is ignoring defensive bonuses/aura enhancements and focusing on DPS abilities. I obviously may have forgotten things, so please feel free to ad to this list of pros and cons.

The favored enemy boni and ram's might more than overcome the loss of DM3/4 (while easing your cha requirement, allowing you to possibly bump str up a notch over the regular 16 paladin upper limit). Assuming you can reach 18 str (over 16 usually selected by paladins trying to balance str and cha), you could be looking at a net +8 damage. That would sacrifice some save bonuses however, caveat emptor.

The other comparison is basically 10% stacking alacrity bonus to attacks vs 3d6/4d6 against evil undead or outsiders and another 2d6 per DS.

EDIT: I had numbers here, but frankly, it was omitting too many factors to really be useful. I'd have to factor in crits and am not certain how crits apply to the extra d6s KotC and DS grant. If someone with more paladin experience can step in with that, the number of attack while zealed vs. number while zealed and tempested, we could get a clearer picture.

Personally, I feel it would probably be a pretty close affair, but would require dumping cha in favour of str to end up ahead (probably anyways), require more buffs to maintain on a small SP pool and more AP spent by an already AP limited character. Moreover, the requirements for tempest 1 means, while you get TWF/ITWF for free, you're still on the hook for an extra feat over a pure paladin (dodge/mobility/spring attack against TWF/ITWF). Basically you've gained spring attack and +1 AC (meh), but can no longer fit a metamagic feat - and extend is NICE on a paladin (could drop toughness, but it's probably even more recommended now by your 6 levels of a D8 HP class). Diehard we can safely ignore and the ranged feats/abilities (many shot!) are nice, but probably won't used a large majority of the time.

On the plus side: Ranger Sprint!!! and more skills are a nice addition to a paladin toon with so little skill points to play around with usually.

[Aranticus]

OP, whatever you build, for a melee, start con at 14, bare minimum 12

[Creeper]

OP, whatever you build, for a melee, start con at 14, bare minimum 12

Good advice. You can drop wisdom. With items you won't need any.

Edit:

Here is a basic blueprint:

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Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
(14 Paladin \ 6 Ranger) 
Hit Points: 268
Spell Points: 172 
BAB: 20\20\25\30\30
Fortitude: 23
Reflex: 19
Will: 11

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    24
Dexterity            16                    18
Constitution         14                    16
Intelligence          8                     8
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             14                    18

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 8
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 8
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 8
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 8
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 20
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 20
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 20
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 20

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               3                     4
Bluff                 2                     4
Concentration         2                     3
Diplomacy             2                     4
Disable Device       n/a                   n/a
Haggle                2                     4
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  3                     4
Intimidate            2                     4
Jump                  3                     7
Listen               -1                    -1
Move Silently         3                     4
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair               -1                    -1
Search               -1                    -1
Spot                 -1                    -1
Swim                  3                     7
Tumble                n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device      n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Ranger)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Evil Outsider
Feat: (Selected) Mobility


Level 2 (Ranger)


Level 3 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh


Level 4 (Ranger)


Level 5 (Ranger)
Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Construct


Level 6 (Ranger)
Feat: (Selected) Spring Attack


Level 7 (Paladin)


Level 8 (Paladin)


Level 9 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 10 (Paladin)


Level 11 (Paladin)


Level 12 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Paladin)


Level 14 (Paladin)


Level 15 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell


Level 16 (Paladin)


Level 17 (Paladin)


Level 18 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack


Level 19 (Paladin)


Level 20 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Ranger Sprint Boost I
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery II
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good III
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice II
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite II
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite III
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands III
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil III
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil IV
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice I
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice II
Enhancement: Paladin Redemption I
Enhancement: Ranger Favored Damage I
Enhancement: Ranger Tempest I
Enhancement: Paladin Devotion I
Enhancement: Paladin Devotion II
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar II
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might I
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Might II

This build has NO room for extraneous feats. Power attack, extend, and greater two-weapon fighting are essential.

[Elanthil01]

I like that build, creeper, although its kind of unusual to see someone go all six ranger before going for 3 pally (for the fear/disease immune), but then again your build gets to dual wield earlier, so I think it balances out.

Thats....definately a tight build. I might try it.

[Creeper]

although its kind of unusual to see someone go all six ranger before going for 3 pally (for the fear/disease immune), but then again your build gets to dual wield earlier, so I think it balances out.

I don't think it is unusual at all because disease removal and fear removal pots are available for use as soon as level two. Fear and Disease Immunity are of extremely low priority in my opinion. It is better to get the free ranger TWF feats as soon as possible and Tempest.

[jakeelala]

I don't think it is unusual at all because disease removal and fear removal pots are available for use as soon as level two. Fear and Disease Immunity are of extremely low priority in my opinion. It is better to get the free ranger TWF feats as soon as possible and Tempest.

i dont really think this is a given. especially if solo playing you cant hit anything early on in this game above normal if you're dual wielding. Better off Sword and Board and taking less damage until level 6-8.

[assamite]

the biggist problem with this build is you can only have 1 prestige...
tempest OR kensai not both.

Nop .... found out you can have a baggilion so long as they are different classes I know it makes no sense.

[Creeper]

i dont really think this is a given. especially if solo playing you cant hit anything early on in this game above normal if you're dual wielding. Better off Sword and Board and taking less damage until level 6-8.

I completely disagree but it doesn't really matter much. You can split the classes any way you want of course.

Keep in mind if you take 3 levels of paladin before the 6 ranger you won't have tempest (or imp twf, or manyshot) until level nine. You will also not be able to use ram's might or divine favor (or any spell) until at least level seven. Also remember that he would have no benefit to using a shield as a paladin that he would not have as a ranger. Just things to consider.