disgust- The dwarven battle clierc

[ChadMan]

So i have a lvl 16 dwarven battle clierc atm (15/1 cleirc fighter) who i love, but im thinking of of re-makeing him, im looking for a clierc who can heal, mele when needed (or when no one is takeing damage), and use some offencive casting spells. i have not put him in to planer yet, so no stats, hp or sp but i have the feats, stats

Here we go


str=16+6item+1tome+1str=24
dex=8
con=14+2 enh+6 item+2tome=24
int=8
wis=16+5lvls+6item+3enh+2tome=32
cha=9+1tome+6 item=16

lvling ordder
1. Cleirc- Feat: Max
2. Fighter- Feat: Power attack
3. Cleirc- Feat: Quicken
4,5,- cleirc (+1 wis)
6. Cleirc( feat: Mental toughness
7-8 clierc (+1 wis)
9: clierc( Feat Empower
10-11 clierc
12 Cleirc( Feat- Emproved MT (+1 wis
13- Fighter feat Cleve
14- cleirc
15- cleirc( Feat-Toughness
16-17 cleirc (+1 wis
18- Cleirc( feat: Extend or 1 more toughness depending on HP

So tell me what you think (this is my first draft and second clierc so i dont kno all the tips and tricks to building a clierc)

thanks

chadman

[Lehrman]

Why not just play a pure dorf cleric, then you will not need mental toughness.

16/8/16/8/16/6 (put leveling points into Wisdom)
24/16/24/8/32/6 (assumes +2 tomes, Wis3 enhancement, +6items)

Max
Empower
Extend
Quicken
Toughness
2 Feats to spare (Spell Pen/Grtr spell pen or power attack/improved crit or mental toughness/imp mental toughness, etc.)

[sirgog]

Why not just play a pure dorf cleric, then you will not need mental toughness.

16/8/16/8/16/6 (put leveling points into Wisdom)
24/16/24/8/32/6 (assumes +2 tomes, Wis3 enhancement, +6items)

Max
Empower
Extend
Quicken
Toughness
2 Feats to spare (Spell Pen/Grtr spell pen or power attack/improved crit or mental toughness/imp mental toughness, etc.)

If you aren't multiclassing to get the martial weapons (in particular the Greataxe), there's no reason to go dwarf and no reason to have a 16 strength.

IMO there are two main types of clerics that work well - offensive caster clerics that have maximum possible Wisdom (they suffer greatly for dropping it), or melee-based clerics that have maximum possible Strength. The Str-based ones are stronger in Epic quests; the Wisdom-based ones are better almost everywhere else, but both pull their weight as healers when required.

[BracchusBridgeburner]

If you aren't multiclassing to get the martial weapons (in particular the Greataxe), there's no reason to go dwarf and no reason to have a 16 strength.

I was thinking of one reason - now that you can just buy 32 point builds, you can go 16 str and 18 wis starting stats on a dwarf cleric without sacrificing anything. Hell, you even get a 16 con as well!

[ChadMan]

so right now i do not have the cash to buy the 32 point builds, so those are out of the option, and so far on my 16 im loveing the 1 lvl of fighter, for the mele, and im still strong in spells.

so any thing relly on those stats ( i rlly would love to not have to change the idea of the build

[halzar1974]

so right now i do not have the cash to buy the 32 point builds, so those are out of the option, and so far on my 16 im loveing the 1 lvl of fighter, for the mele, and im still strong in spells.

so any thing relly on those stats ( i rlly would love to not have to change the idea of the build

could always wait for true rez and go with a 34 or 36 point build

[Damiarch]

Only if he has a bunch of nice bound loot already.TR isnt gonna be viable or worthwhile for everyone.

[Vengenance]

I have a Dwarven 19 Cleric/1 Pally that works quite well. He has a 28 str and 36 Wisdom and can hold his own in melee, offensive casting, or healing. The Pally level provide martial weapon proficiency and provides a decent bump to your spell point pool allowing you forgoe mental toughness. I think his spell point pool at cap is ~2200.

His stats are pretty good because of +3 tomes (Shroud, Shroud, Shroud,...), +3 exceptional str on a ring (ToD), and +3 exceptional wisdom on a mineral II dwarven axe.