Noob attempt to make a WF THF rouge with ok DPS

[jmerbt]

Hi

Now I ask all the experts, which is you to comment on my build, so far and I am level 4 this build is main tank in my groups, but when I get a barb in the team I will be the supporting killer, using my Sneak attack to add to dam. and basicly just smack mobs up.

I have made this build coz I just cant resist of being a rogue... and I think WF is the only race worth playing :-)

so please hack my build into bits and pieces, with all your advices

Angui

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Level 20 Lawful Good Warforged Female
(6 Fighter \ 1 Monk \ 13 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 270
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 14
Reflex: 14
Will: 6

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Stats          Modified Stats
Abilities        (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    21
Dexterity            14                    14
Constitution         16                    16
Intelligence         14                    14
Wisdom                6                     6
Charisma              6                     6

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               2                     0
Bluff                -2                    -2
Concentration         3                     3
Diplomacy            -2                    -2
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle               -2                    -2
Heal                 -2                    -2
Hide                  2                     0
Intimidate           -2                    -2
Jump                  3                     3
Listen               -2                    -2
Move Silently         2                     0
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                   n/a
Repair                2                     2
Search                2                     2
Spot                 -2                    -2
Swim                  3                     1
Tumble                n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device     n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Mithral Body


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Two Handed Fighting


Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness


Level 4 (Rogue)


Level 5 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Dodge


Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons


Level 7 (Rogue)


Level 8 (Fighter)


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Cleave


Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Handed Fighting


Level 11 (Rogue)


Level 12 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 13 (Fighter)


Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Handed Fighting


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons


Level 16 (Rogue)


Level 17 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Slippery Mind


Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave


Level 19 (Rogue)


Level 20 (Rogue)
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Cripling Strike

[malthusian01]

Needs more mascara.

(Sorry, could not resist)

[Visty]

using a monk level with a wisdom of 6 looks abit odd tbh

anyway
i think rogue13/monk6/any 1 would work better cause with 6 monk lvls you get the 2nd windstance. combine that with rogue acrobat boni to quarterstaffs and you should be able to hit very often and backstab alot
also mithralbody is only useful at lower levels as i doubt you can keep your ac above 40 once you reach lvl10

[Gelandor]

I think as a DPS build you should have 18 Base STR, but it may be kind of hard to do for a Rogue.

[William_the_Bat]

A couple things:

You have two toughness feats, the second one does not buy you nearly as many HP as the first one due to the toughness enhancements.

You do not list the enhancements. I'm assuming the fighter levels are for kensai I? The monk level seems out of place, with mithril body and a slashing two-hander, you can not use monk stances or rogue acrobat to increase your DPS like you can with a qstaff and no armor feat.

You will not have the AC to make taking dodge worth while, and cleave and great cleave look much better on paper than they are in practice, as they interrupt your attack chain, basically slowing down your attack rate.

It's very hard to gauge how this character is going to look at end game without your enhancements picked, and some likely equipment. For instance, WF toughness IV and WF constitution II and a +6 con item and greater false life and minos legens will add something like 170 HP? (might be wrong on the toughness enhancements) Add in fighter toughness II for 190 HP total

Call it 460 HP total, more with a shroud item. very nice for a rogue!

AC breakdown:
10 base
5 mithral body
5 dex bonus (assuming +6 dex item)
5 +5 docent
5 +5 protection item
3 barkskin potion
1 alchemy bonus
3 chattering ring
2 chaosguards
1 dodge feat
1 extra dex bonus from enhancements (assuming fighter armor mastery I and rogue dex II)
2 new docent from dreaming dark
4 insight bonus from shroud weapon
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47. By the time you get all the goodies for this (greensteel, chattering ring, and docent in particular) this won't be enough to be useful. 38 before the uber loot, not really enough to even bother with once you leave the house quests.


A couple thoughts: Rogues don't really need work to dish out amazing damage as long as they max out subtle backstabbing and hit things fast for maximum sneak attack. This usually means two-weapon fighting, but for a two-handed WF, this means qstaff, acrobat, and maybe monk wind stance. More rogue levels are better, because of the added sneak attack dice. If you do not intend to be grouping and want to dish out non-sneak damage, you'll need to come up with some way to raise your AC into the stratosphere, or else come up with some healing abilities. Either of these things will require major adjustments to your build.

Consider rogue 20 or rogue 19 monk 1 (wind stance) qstaff acrobat. You could also get more monk levels for fists of light and the second wind stance (as suggested by Visty) You'd lose out on 3d6 sneak damage going up to monk 6, but gain fists of light healing and a speed bonus to partially offset the loss in damage per strike.

[jmerbt]

Sadly I get the picture :-(

So being über in the beginning does not mean über in the long run.

I just really really like the skillpoints the rogue gives ya and the hp fighter gives ya and the feats the three combined gives me, add to this the UMB will be rogue high so I should be able to use all the wands and scrolls, to add prot/dam.

Any1 know a build that can cover all this?

Angui

[Gelandor]

Sadly I get the picture :-(

So being über in the beginning does not mean über in the long run.

I just really really like the skillpoints the rogue gives ya and the hp fighter gives ya and the feats the three combined gives me, add to this the UMB will be rogue high so I should be able to use all the wands and scrolls, to add prot/dam.

Any1 know a build that can cover all this?

Angui

You could probably get similar results with an 18/2 Fighter/Rogue build, you would get UMD, Evasion, Kensai III, etc,

You could also do Ranger 18 / Rogue 2, to get UMD, Evasion, Tempest III, Etc, this is if you really want Rogue skills.

I personally would take 2 levels of monk instead of rogue...

[William_the_Bat]

Well, rogue skills are good, but at some point you need to choose between being a powerful warrior type or a sneaky rogue type. No joke, the rogue is the DPS king... but only so long as someone else has the monster's attention so you can get sneak attacks. If you want to wade into battle feeling invincible, a rogue splash can get you the UMD you want, a rogue splashed ranger can have the skill points for full trapsmithing, and something based on the exploiter build (look in the ranger forum) will have really nice high AC as well. Of course rangers are usually TWF, not THF, as they get TWF feats for free and the tempest enhancement is frighteningly powerful.

Honestly, consider making two characters, one a THF fighter, barb, or maybe even pally, and the other the acrobat qstaff rogue. Play them both enough to figure out what you like and don't like about each. Trying to make a character that can be awesome at everything rarely works past level 10 or so. The exploiter is a good attempt at one, but it is -extremely- difficult to do right due to the build requirements, tomes, equipment, etc, and obviously you are looking for something that swings a humongous weapon and strikes fear into your enemies, which a TWF ranger type just won't have. Also, any build that splashes 1 level of monk for the AC bonus risks being nerfed if they ever make the AC bonus from wisdom centered-only or limit it to monk levels or some other nerf. (it's widely considered overpowered for a splash one level ability)

Good luck! I find character building to be one of the really cool parts of DDO, I hope you won't get discouraged and will continue to see what you can come up with!

[Gelandor]

Well, rogue skills are good, but at some point you need to choose between being a powerful warrior type or a sneaky rogue type. No joke, the rogue is the DPS king... but only so long as someone else has the monster's attention so you can get sneak attacks. If you want to wade into battle feeling invincible, a rogue splash can get you the UMD you want, a rogue splashed ranger can have the skill points for full trapsmithing, and something based on the exploiter build (look in the ranger forum) will have really nice high AC as well. Of course rangers are usually TWF, not THF, as they get TWF feats for free and the tempest enhancement is frighteningly powerful.

Honestly, consider making two characters, one a THF fighter, barb, or maybe even pally, and the other the acrobat qstaff rogue. Play them both enough to figure out what you like and don't like about each. Trying to make a character that can be awesome at everything rarely works past level 10 or so. The exploiter is a good attempt at one, but it is -extremely- difficult to do right due to the build requirements, tomes, equipment, etc, and obviously you are looking for something that swings a humongous weapon and strikes fear into your enemies, which a TWF ranger type just won't have. Also, any build that splashes 1 level of monk for the AC bonus risks being nerfed if they ever make the AC bonus from wisdom centered-only or limit it to monk levels or some other nerf. (it's widely considered overpowered for a splash one level ability)

Good luck! I find character building to be one of the really cool parts of DDO, I hope you won't get discouraged and will continue to see what you can come up with!

Great advice, +1 Rep for you.