The AccELLArator: EPIC Tank/Intimitank Build 15 Fighter/3 Pally/2 Monk

[Junts]

So a huge HP Barb is best?



Do it with AC and threat. What is your ac and dps when you're sword and boarding Horoth?



How would a run be MORE bloody with a modern intimidate (not your year and half old number) and an ac of over 10 points higher?



This does have me intriqued...

ac varies between 77 and 81 depending on short term buffs; I still need my tower ring for 2 more, I'll have 83 raid ac with it. DPS is about 150ish before threat modifiers. Keep in mind paladins have significant dps advantages over s/b fighters (smites, divine sac, divine mights). That makes a big impact on maintaining s/b dps. While I agree a high-end intimidate is useful (rocka has one, remember) and we have run tower that way, the fact is that when she does it via threat, it is easier and generally more effective to do it via threat. the stance bonuses do not work properly right now, so threat tanking with a fighter is a -lot- harder than doing so with a paladin. Rockcandy's been primarily intimitanking for this reason, but we've been looking for better ways to generate threat, because hate tanking is cheaper and faster with less chance of a catastrophic problem, in the end.

I'm not basing my intimidate evaluation on my score; it could be just fine, and I have tanked it intentionally for other feats because I only use intimidate for trash mobs these days anyway. I do not regret dropping sf: intimidate and the intimidate ap, or not picking up bull-headed. I could itnimidate hard tower with them nofail, but it takes me about a 10-15 second head start (basically, the time I spend positioning Horoth) and I can stay ahead of the best dps builds I run with on threat. So why do 0 dps instead of 150, and risk dresek getting 2 shotted between intimidates?

[foxx]

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Did you really just make fun of a greensteel haste clicky? Really? Yeah, I'm terribly sorry I have a haste clicky. [/QUOTE]





oh ****.
now i feel bad cuz i have GS haste clickies on all my non casters

[Guder]

There's pretty much no way this build + 1 lower dps guy kill Horoth in 5 minutes. Either you're underestimating how long it takes by like 5-10 minutes or Horoth does turn on the other guy when intimidate drops. Intimitanks are useful when mitigating the cost of healing is important. For any other purpose(e.g. when it's important to avoid deaths and a turn will kill people), it's simply too unreliable.

srry, didnt make a good distiction. Original fight of tank +1 did take 10-15 mins to beat down.
Nowadays we have 2-3 booties per run and anytoon with a 36 +2 will or higher usually gets in on the fight too....maybe it's 8 mins, lol

[foxx]

[QUOTE=Don't trifle with me. You are a fake and getting more pathetic with every post.
See that rock? ...Q... crawl under it...and get out of my thread.[/QUOTE]




guder, you went public, yer gonna have to deal with it, or leave it.

[Gunga]

ac varies between 77 and 81 depending on short term buffs; I still need my tower ring for 2 more, I'll have 83 raid ac with it. DPS is about 150ish before threat modifiers. Keep in mind paladins have significant dps advantages over s/b fighters (smites, divine sac, divine mights). That makes a big impact on maintaining s/b dps. While I agree a high-end intimidate is useful (rocka has one, remember) and we have run tower that way, the fact is that when she does it via threat, it is easier and generally more effective to do it via threat. the stance bonuses do not work properly right now, so threat tanking with a fighter is a -lot- harder than doing so with a paladin. Rockcandy's been primarily intimitanking for this reason, but we've been looking for better ways to generate threat, because hate tanking is cheaper and faster with less chance of a catastrophic problem, in the end.

I'm not basing my intimidate evaluation on my score; it could be just fine, and I have tanked it intentionally for other feats because I only use intimidate for trash mobs these days anyway. I do not regret dropping sf: intimidate and the intimidate ap, or not picking up bull-headed. I could itnimidate hard tower with them nofail, but it takes me about a 10-15 second head start (basically, the time I spend positioning Horoth) and I can stay ahead of the best dps builds I run with on threat.

My new intimitank will hit high 80s ac, and should have about a 76-77 intim. I'll have to see how this works at elite and epic level endgame content. If it doesn't play out like I'd planned (I'm used to that), I'll have to get back with ya on the hate generator. Can we build a pali/barb yet?

So why do 0 dps instead of 150, and risk dresek getting 2 shotted between intimidates?

If only you could "release" agro for a few hits and aim the boss at Dresek.

[RodneyT]

guder, you went public, yer gonna have to deal with it, or leave it.

true that. discuss, dont namecall

[Junts]

My new intimitank will hit high 80s ac, and should have about a 76-77 intim. I'll have to see how this works at elite and epic level endgame content. If it doesn't play out like I'd planned (I'm used to that), I'll have to get back with ya on the hate generator. Can we build a pali/barb yet?



If only you could "release" agro for a few hits and aim the boss at Dresek.

diplomacy?

The thing is, Gunga, there's a time and place for both: intimidate is obviously better for groups, for snaring a mob thats runnin around, and for dealing with a mob against whom you cannot melee (re: lailat). Equally, when you have both options available (eg, tier 3 stance works right), you probably wont intimidate in tower because the run is faster and easier if you don't. Until you've got all your gear and stuff, though, it will be eaiser to intimidate .. +5 ac from blocking makes a big difference when your ac isn't quite there yet

As in all things, both tactics have a good place .. the problem with Guderane's build is that he throws one method completely to the dogs.

[Guder]

Your build shows that you're using +2 tomes at level 6, but with the latest update they can't be used or even have unbound ones apply until level 7. Just an FYI.

fixed

[foxx]

Is teamplay when we all zerg together to the same goal? If not, I'm going to be honest, it's not a way I am familiar with playing.

well duh,
of course.
unless the pug gets lost , in which case we loot and leave.

[Samadhi]

Can we build a pali/barb yet?

I'm still waiting on my monk/barbarian. Running speed ><

[Guder]

My new intimitank will hit high 80s ac, and should have about a 76-77 intim. I'll have to see how this works at elite and epic level endgame content. If it doesn't play out like I'd planned (I'm used to that), I'll have to get back with ya on the hate generator. Can we build a pali/barb yet?

Any chance this will have evasion Gunga? I am very open to other builds that accomplish the same goals with more DPS...I just haven't found one better yet.

[foxx]

I'm still waiting on my monk/barbarian. Running speed ><

nice
+rep

[RodneyT]

I want some rep

[Gunga]

Any chance this will have evasion Gunga? I am very open to other builds that accomplish the same goals with more DPS...I just haven't found one better yet.

18/2 Fighter/Rogue Drow.

[foxx]

I want some rep

i gave you rep too, i gave most positive posts in this thread rep <G>
till i ran out anyhow.

[foxx]

18/2 Fighter/Rogue Drow.

so gunga , you ever get back over to ghallanda?
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[Gunga]

so gunga , you ever get back over to ghallanda?
'

Nah man. Hittin it hard on Thelanis. Found a great guild over here, dragged along some ex-Katet members and we're having a blast. Say hi to the big guns over there for me.

[foxx]

Nah man. Hittin it hard on Thelanis. Found a great guild over here, dragged along some ex-Katet members and we're having a blast. Say hi to the big guns over there for me.

will do bro,
miss the hell outa you guys.

[Guder]

guder, you went public, yer gonna have to deal with it, or leave it.

true that. discuss, dont name call

It was this line from someone who has never ,as far as I know has run any quest with me or my guild, certainly not on the toon this thread is about and certainly not in any of the quests that I am basing my observations on and who gets absolutely zero respect from me now that set me off.
I will refrain from further sullying my own "Il-legitimate power gamer" name...**** that list.

When people talk about Ghallanda's best tanks, Guderella is nowhere near present on the list of legitimate power gamers of the server.

[Guder]

18/2 Fighter/Rogue Drow.

fortitude saves? reflex saves? can u bolster them?
Failing that Disintegrate save on anything but a 1 seems risky.