What do I bring to the party?

[Fenrisulven6]

Okay, I'm finally starting to get bored parked at 6th (sorc), 8th (rog) and 9th (clr).

Ready to run my first toon up to cap. Or at least be Shroud worthy.

What do you guys recommend? Whats most useful or most needed for raids at endgame?

[Oreg]

Good Players.

Which ironically has nothing to do with class played.....

[Renegade66]

Good Players.

Which ironically has nothing to do with class played.....

/QFT

However, if you want in good groups as a no-name or as a less skilled player, your best bet is a Bard with max damage and long songs. We get your buffs then carry your stone if necessary and rez when songs are needed again.

[Murgatroyd]

We get your buffs then carry your stone if necessary and rez when songs are needed again.

That's cold Obi wan

[Quikster]

Good Players.

Which ironically has nothing to do with class played.....

/signed

More often then not Id rather have a solid player then a specific class. There are exceptions, but with there being 12 raid spots usually we can make it work with the best players available and whatever they have off timer.


The bard option is good as well. Though you didnt mention one in the OP.

Of the alts you listed any would be fine, although the cleric would have an wider variety of groups available prolly, unless your hooked into a group that raids a lot.

Seriously, you have been playing this long and only have those alts at those levels? Thats pretty impressive actually.

[78mackson]

Good Players.

Which ironically has nothing to do with class played.....

I dont care how good of a player you are, if your melee and hit for 25-30dps/second vs harry its going to cost the cleric resources. In bad groups its wipe nomatter how good player you are, cause skill is no factor for end-game raiding.

Your class of choice can be a huge factor thou.
If you dont have rescources dont try: Ranger, fighter, barbarian, tank(all of these are great til lvl10!)
somewhat less mediocre is: Bard, rogues
good/exellent choices: Cleric, Paladin, Wizard, Sorcerer

[Quikster]

I dont care how good of a player you are, if your melee and hit for 25-30dps/second vs harry its going to cost the cleric resources. In bad groups its wipe nomatter how good player you are, cause skill is no factor for end-game raiding.

Your class of choice can be a huge factor thou.
If you dont have rescources dont try: Ranger, fighter, barbarian, tank(all of these are great til lvl10!)
somewhat less mediocre is: Bard, rogues
good/exellent choices: Cleric, Paladin, Wizard, Sorcerer

I disagree.

So long as you dont build a total gimp you are fine. End game raiding is more about skill and group cohesiveness then anything. Of course your alts need to be able to do their job. The OP has been playing long enough, and on the forums long enough to know not to build a high wisdom, high charisma battle wiz.

Your class choices are all borked btw. Bard/cleric prolly bring the most to the table with basic game skills. The more skills the more they bring. Anyone can play a ranger, fighter or barb endgame are you kidding? Buff stand and swing, how hard is that. Anything else they can do is a +

Paladin is prolly the hardest to play, casters at endgame raids rarely get into groups. Most groups take one or two. Usually they take 8 melees. So trying to those are most needed for end game raids is just silly.

Oh and you dont hit for 25-30dps/second. Try reading some dps calcs and see if you can get this right.

[Bartikus]

/QFT

However, if you want in good groups as a no-name or as a less skilled player, your best bet is a Bard with max damage and long songs. We get your buffs then carry your stone if necessary and rez when songs are needed again.

Darn Ren,

You always find the soothing words... I know, its a gift.

[Fenrisulven6]

Hmmm. Well this is a bit confusing. I would have assumed that end game raids didn't suffer from poor players - it should be all-pro.

Regardless, I'm not worried. Alot of guilds have me on speed-dial for when they need a decent player to fill out their groups. So I must be doing something right. As long as I listen to advice and follow orders, I should be fine.

Most groups take one or two. Usually they take 8 melees

So, to have the most opportunity for invites into end game raids, it sounds like I should go melee?

[Minor_Threat]

If you are really a "Good" player then you will have a decent build.

The 2 go hand in hand.

[bobbryan2]

So, to have the most opportunity for invites into end game raids, it sounds like I should go melee?

Melees are very needed. Melees are also more gear intensive. Dual Min IIs and the like to really achieve endgame DPS.

Again, if you don't have a lot of raid loot and gear, you can go bard or cleric and get by easily enough.

[Quikster]

Melees are very needed. Melees are also more gear intensive. Dual Min IIs and the like to really achieve endgame DPS.

Again, if you don't have a lot of raid loot and gear, you can go bard or cleric and get by easily enough.

While dual shroud weapons are nice, a good player with the right gear can get by without em.

Make sure you have weapons that bypass dr when possible. This is the biggest difference between a good dps group and a bad dps group usually. Ive been in groups that take 4 rounds to take harry down on normal, and I see lightning strikes going off, but there has to be a few melees that are using subpar weapons. (Obviously on normal lit II is an exception to bypassing dr) A good player with +5 of whatever bypasses dr with a kicker that does damage will be sufficient until you can grind out enough larges to dual tier III shroud weapons.

All that said, my melees get dual tier III shroud weapons as fast as possible usually, I just like em too much.

And no the end game is not full of pros All though usually the pros hang out at end game

It sounds like it doesnt matter what you go with if you are in with some good guilds already, I would lvl your highest alt which you enjoy playing.

[BattleCircle]

I dont care how good of a player you are, if your melee and hit for 25-30dps/second vs harry its going to cost the cleric resources. In bad groups its wipe nomatter how good player you are, cause skill is no factor for end-game raiding.

Your class of choice can be a huge factor thou.
If you dont have rescources dont try: Ranger, fighter, barbarian, tank(all of these are great til lvl10!)
somewhat less mediocre is: Bard, rogues
good/exellent choices: Cleric, Paladin, Wizard, Sorcerer

WOW, talk about no clue....

DUDE? do you even play this game?

Seriously?

I mean 'cause nothing you wrote translates into the game that I have been playing.

This is DDO, there is considerable skill and to a degree "intelligence" involved. I think maybe you are on the wrong forum.

[Fenrisulven6]

I would lvl your highest alt which you enjoy playing.

They're going to stay parked. Having too much fun with them. And ya, I'm the guy who buys the latest CD and plays it non-stop for 6 months till I burn it out. OCD I guess. But I have my own room in VON3

Thanks for the advice Bobby and Quik. I'll start a melee from scratch and get to it. I'm guessing I have a ton of grinding ahead to get him up to par.

[Bartikus]

They're going to stay parked. Having too much fun with them. And ya, I'm the guy who buys the latest CD and plays it non-stop for 6 months till I burn it out. OCD I guess. But I have my own room in VON3

Thanks for the advice Bobby and Quik. I'll start a melee from scratch and get to it. I'm guessing I have a ton of grinding ahead to get him up to par.

Make sure its a 32 point build....

[Phidius]

Good Players.

Which ironically has nothing to do with class played.....

+1 - just adding my voice to the chorus

[Tin_Dragon]

I dont care how good of a player you are, if your melee and hit for 25-30dps/second vs harry its going to cost the cleric resources. In bad groups its wipe nomatter how good player you are, cause skill is no factor for end-game raiding.
Your class of choice can be a huge factor thou.
If you dont have rescources dont try: Ranger, fighter, barbarian, tank(all of these are great til lvl10!)
somewhat less mediocre is: Bard, rogues
good/exellent choices: Cleric, Paladin, Wizard, Sorcerer

ugh, just ugh.

There are so many things wrong with what you have said here, I bet most folks just dont think your worth flaming after that.

This is a case where we can point to join date, then to thread, and "just say No".

[Kraak]

Make sure its a 32 point build....

While it may help you personally this is not even close to being required. My 28pt'ers raid successfully all the time.

[Kraak]

To the OP - actively considering what else can be done, what else can you do - is key to the good player comment. Also note: sometimes that answer is nothing.

[Bartikus]

While it may help you personally this is not even close to being required. My 28pt'ers raid succuessfully all the time.

I was kinda buys at the time I posted that. I just meant that its alot of investment for a toon thats 28pt limited. And you're right not a requirement, esp in light of reincarnation on the way... FWIW.