Adding the Forth kind of Reincarnation

[Angelus_dead]

There are three kinds of Reincarnation now:
1. Change stats, skills, feats, appearance.
2. Change stats, skills, feats, appearance, and 32 point builds.
3. Change stats, skills, feats, appearance, levels, 34 point builds, taller, snazzy colors, and Past Life feats.

There is a large gap between what is provided by type 2 and 3, so there is room to usefully add a 4th kind between them:
3.5: Change stats, skills, feats, appearance, 32 point builds, and levels.

That's so simple and logical I can't think of what else to say. What baffles me is why Turbine isn't offering a Reincarnation option for someone who wants to change a level or two but doesn't feel a need for 34 point builds and Past Life feats. Any ideas?

[krud]

I'd do it on at least one of my characters. I could bring my mule out of retirement. however, would the snazzy stuff and extra build points be enough to make people want to do a True Reincarnate, instead of this? Especially considering the downside of releveling and tome loss.

ps don't forget about race.

[Angelus_dead]

would the snazzy stuff and extra build points be enough to make people want to do a True Reincarnate, instead of this? Especially considering the downside of releveling and tome loss.

I did not specify whether or not the forth variation would involve releveling or tome loss. That was intentionally vague so as to leave it up to however the devs might feel about it.

[Tolero]

There are three kinds of Reincarnation now:
1. Change stats, skills, feats, appearance.
2. Change stats, skills, feats, appearance, and 32 point builds.
3. Change stats, skills, feats, appearance, levels, 34 point builds, taller, snazzy colors, and Past Life feats.

There is a large gap between what is provided by type 2 and 3, so there is room to usefully add a 4th kind between them:
3.5: Change stats, skills, feats, appearance, 32 point builds, and levels.

That's so simple and logical I can't think of what else to say. What baffles me is why Turbine isn't offering a Reincarnation option for someone who wants to change a level or two but doesn't feel a need for 34 point builds and Past Life feats.

Yet.

[Sirea]

You forgot alignments.

[Angelus_dead]

You forgot alignments.

You forgot I forgot race.

[moorewr]

You forgot I forgot race.

Heh.

You're exactly right that changing level progression and alignment is the elephant in the room. It's nice to see confirmation that they are working on more flavors of reincarnation.. so we don't have to stick it in the circular file with druids and familiars.

[kaelis]

Yet.

Any hint when we see reincarnation 2.0 revised on forums or lama?

[Pwesiela]

Any hint when we see reincarnation 2.0 revised on forums or lama?

Heck, any hint when we'll see reincarnation 1.0 on live?

[Tolero]

Heck, any hint when we'll see reincarnation 1.0 on live?

So far...
- True Reincarnation is looking to be in great shape. We're in the home stretch of testing, and we'll be having one more round of True Reincarnation feedback combing on Lamannia this weekend.
- Greater/lesser/etc. reincarnation are still being heavily tested and worked on, and it is extremely likely that True Reincarnation will come before they do.

[foxx]

So far...
- True Reincarnation is looking to be in great shape. We're in the home stretch of testing, and we'll be having one more round of True Reincarnation feedback combing on Lamannia this weekend.
- Greater/lesser/etc. reincarnation are still being heavily tested and worked on, and it is extremely likely that True Reincarnation will come before they do.

SO in speculatin what will the costs be per ?

[Pwesiela]

So far...
- True Reincarnation is looking to be in great shape. We're in the home stretch of testing, and we'll be having one more round of True Reincarnation feedback combing on Lamannia this weekend.
- Greater/lesser/etc. reincarnation are still being heavily tested and worked on, and it is extremely likely that True Reincarnation will come before they do.

Glad I'm only really interested in True Re.

Just got my 28 point original Pwes up to 20 in prep for becoming a 34 pointer!

[TFPAQ]

So far...
- True Reincarnation is looking to be in great shape. We're in the home stretch of testing, and we'll be having one more round of True Reincarnation feedback combing on Lamannia this weekend.
- Greater/lesser/etc. reincarnation are still being heavily tested and worked on, and it is extremely likely that True Reincarnation will come before they do.

If someone at Turbine (i.e. you ...) were to add up all the threads/posts, etc, what is really being asked for by your customers are:

change in alignment
change in multiclassing levels
28 -> 32 point conversion.
skill/feat/attribute reallocation.

"True" reincarnation is a Turbine driven model. The paying customer base has been asking for a "respec" for years.

Instead Turbine's focus is on what more conveniently provides them with an opportunity to implement additional "grinding" in a game that apparently even Turbine believes has an insufficient amount of content.

Please give us our "respec" regardless of what you call it or where "True" reincarnation sits.

[Gol]

- Greater/lesser/etc. reincarnation are still being heavily tested and worked on, and it is extremely likely that True Reincarnation will come before they do.

That is extremely disappointing.

[dopey69]

Yet.

i was praying for an alternative too. i don't want to rerun 20 lvls . or be bigger ,or have a reduced xp. i just want to get rid of 2 lvls of one class to take advantage of your johny come lately capstones.I think that is all we were looking for in the first place.Instead of a major regrind fest !

[Talon_Moonshadow]

Yet.

I have a char who I really, really, really want to change one of my class lvling choices without lvling up to 20.

Are you saying I still have hope to one day be able to do this?

I don't even play him now.

And had been led to believe by you guys, in the past that I would have a valid respect option for him someday.

Turned him into a mule when you announced the current respect options... /cry

[GhostNull]

There are three kinds of Reincarnation now:
1. Change stats, skills, feats, appearance.
2. Change stats, skills, feats, appearance, and 32 point builds.
3. Change stats, skills, feats, appearance, levels, 34 point builds, taller, snazzy colors, and Past Life feats.

There is a large gap between what is provided by type 2 and 3, so there is room to usefully add a 4th kind between them:
3.5: Change stats, skills, feats, appearance, 32 point builds, and levels.

That's so simple and logical I can't think of what else to say. What baffles me is why Turbine isn't offering a Reincarnation option for someone who wants to change a level or two but doesn't feel a need for 34 point builds and Past Life feats. Any ideas?

I know I have at least one character and perhaps another that would eventually use your proposed idea of a 4th reincarnation. So /signed.

Current Greater Reincarnation named to Improved Reincarnation, and your proposed idea inherits the name of Greater Reincarnation?

[TiberiusofTyr]

I know I have at least one character and perhaps another that would eventually use your proposed idea of a 4th reincarnation. So /signed.

Current Greater Reincarnation named to Improved Reincarnation, and your proposed idea inherits the name of Greater Reincarnation?

Could be either:

Lesser Reincarnation
Improved Reincarnation
Greater Reincarnation
True Reincarnation

or

Lesser Reincarnation
Greater Reincarnation
Superior Reincarnation
True Reincarnation

Shoot they could add two more tiers and have

Lesser Reincarnation
Improved Reincarnation
Greater Reincarnation
Superior Reincarnation
True Reincarnation

[hydra_ex]

Honestly, I've been thinking about this since I first heard of reincarnations... I had hoped Turbine would realize it on their own accord.

Best idea you've had in a long time, A_D! (and trust me, that's saying a lot, considering the esteem in which I hold A_D's opinions)

[SableShadow]

Great post!