20 FvS duo with a Rog2/Wiz18

[dcp101]

Hi all,

I'm planning to duo with my wife who will be playing the CC / Trap Specialist / Nuker and myself being the part-time melee if I have to, buffer, nuker, and healer. We figure between the both of us we can charm, slow or hold monsters and then nuke them down so myself being built as a tank isn't that high a priority. These will be our first characters so nothing is handed down to us. What I have outlined below is what I'm considering is my build to get us through most dungeons and yet allow myself the flexibility to become a full fledge healer also if the need arises. How does this look?

You'll notice my Concentration is really low. In fact I stopped leveling it once I picked up Quicken as feat. Is this a good idea?

I've also kicked around the idea of dropping INT to 8 and then use that to up CON to 15 and pick up Greater Human Adapt CON (vs CHA) to boost that up to 16.

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Level 20 True Neutral Human Male
(20 Favored Soul) 
Hit Points: 302
Spell Points: 1962 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 14
Reflex: 13
Will: 19

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             14                    14
Dexterity            12                    12
Constitution         14                    14
Intelligence         10                    10
Wisdom               16                    24
Charisma             12                    17

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               3                    12
Bluff                 1                     3
Concentration         6                     7
Diplomacy             1                    22
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                1                     3
Heal                  3                     9
Hide                  1                     1
Intimidate            1                     3
Jump                  4                    25
Listen                3                     7
Move Silently         1                     1
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                     0
Search                0                     0
Spot                  3                     7
Swim                  2                     2
Tumble                2                     2
Use Magic Device      n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Extend Spell
Feat: (Diety) Favored by the Sovereign Host
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Spell (1): Nimbus of Light
Spell (1): Divine Favor
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness I


Level 2 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Spell (1): Nightshield
Enhancement: Favored Soul Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Charisma I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Wand and Scroll Mastery I


Level 3 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell
Spell (1): Remove Fear
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Life I


Level 4 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Spell (2): Cure Moderate Wounds
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Wisdom I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness II


Level 5 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Fire
Spell (2): Soundburst
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Wisdom I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion II


Level 6 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell
Spell (3): Prayer
Enhancement: Favored Soul Charisma II


Level 7 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Spell (2): Deific Vengance
Spell (3): Cure Serious Wounds
Enhancement: Favored Soul Improved Empowering I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II


Level 8 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Spell (4): Divine Power
Enhancement: Favored Soul Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Life II


Level 9 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Penetration
Spell (2): Resist Energy
Spell (3): Magic Circle Against Evil
Spell (4): Chaos Hammer
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion III


Level 10 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Cold
Spell (5): Break Enchantment
Enhancement: Favored Soul Spell Penetration I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness III


Level 11 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Spell (3): Mass Aid
Spell (4): Freedom of Movement
Spell (5): True Seeing
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty


Level 12 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Spell (6): Blade Barrier
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness IV


Level 13 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Spell (4): Mass Shield of Faith
Spell (5): Mass Cure Light Wounds
Spell (6): Heal
Enhancement: Favored Soul Wisdom II


Level 14 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Spell (7): Symbol of Stunning
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Charisma I


Level 15 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Electricity
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Penetration
Spell (5): Greater Command
Spell (6): Symbol of Persuasion
Spell (7): Protection From Elements, Mass
Enhancement: Favored Soul Improved Empowering II


Level 16 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Spell (8): Mass Cure Critical Wounds
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion IV


Level 17 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Spell (7): Destruction
Spell (8): Death Pact
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic III


Level 18 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Spell (9): Implosion
Enhancement: Favored Soul Spell Penetration II


Level 19 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Diplomacy (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Spell (8): Mass Death Ward
Spell (9): Energy Drain
Enhancement: Favored Soul Longsword Specialization I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic IV


Level 20 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: WIS
Skill: Diplomacy (+2)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Spell (9): Summon Monster IX
Enhancement: Favored Soul Ascendancy: Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Favored Soul Wand and Scroll Mastery II

And here is my "tank-ish" Build using elements from Mellkor's WF FvS build. Since I will be using a sword & board I went with Shield Mastery and focused more on Strength and damage output with my blade.

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Melee Renford
Level 20 True Neutral Human Male
(20 Favored Soul) 
Hit Points: 322
Spell Points: 2096 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 15
Reflex: 14
Will: 11

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             16                    22
Dexterity            14                    14
Constitution         16                    16
Intelligence         10                    10
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             12                    18

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               4                    13
Bluff                 1                     4
Concentration         7                     8
Diplomacy             1                     6
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                1                    12
Heal                 -1                     2
Hide                  2                     2
Intimidate            1                     4
Jump                  5                    29
Listen               -1                    -1
Move Silently         2                     2
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                     0
Search                0                     0
Spot                 -1                    -1
Swim                  3                     6
Tumble                3                     3
Use Magic Device      n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Balance (+2)
Skill: Concentration (+4)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Skill: Tumble (+1)
Feat: (Human Bonus) Shield Mastery
Feat: (Diety) Favored by the Sovereign Host
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Spell (1): Divine Favor
Spell (1): Protection From Evil
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness I


Level 2 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Concentration (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Spell (1): Obscuring Mist
Enhancement: Favored Soul Charisma I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Wand and Scroll Mastery I


Level 3 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell
Spell (1): Nightshield
Enhancement: Favored Soul Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Life I


Level 4 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+2)
Spell (2): Cure Moderate Wounds
Enhancement: Human Versatility II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness II


Level 5 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Fire
Spell (2): Soundburst
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion II


Level 6 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell
Spell (3): Prayer
Enhancement: Favored Soul Charisma II


Level 7 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Spell (2): Deific Vengance
Spell (3): Cure Serious Wounds
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II


Level 8 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Spell (4): Divine Power
Enhancement: Human Versatility III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness III


Level 9 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell
Spell (2): Resist Energy
Spell (3): Magic Circle Against Evil
Spell (4): Recitation
Enhancement: Favored Soul Improved Empowering I


Level 10 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Cold
Spell (5): Break Enchantment
Enhancement: Favored Soul Toughness IV


Level 11 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Spell (3): Mass Aid
Spell (4): Mass Shield of Faith
Spell (5): Mass Cure Light Wounds
Enhancement: Favored Soul Improved Empowering II


Level 12 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Spell (6): Mass Cure Moderate Wounds
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic III
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion III


Level 13 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Spell (4): Freedom of Movement
Spell (6): Heal
Spell (5): True Seeing
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Charisma I


Level 14 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Spell (7): Mass Cure Serious Wounds
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty


Level 15 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Favored Soul Bonus) Energy Resistance: Electricity
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Spell (5): Summon Monster V
Spell (6): Blade Barrier
Spell (7): Mass Spell Resistance
Enhancement: Favored Soul Longsword Specialization I


Level 16 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Spell (8): Mass Cure Critical Wounds
Enhancement: Favored Soul Life Magic IV


Level 17 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Spell (7): Protection From Elements, Mass
Spell (8): Death Pact
Enhancement: Favored Soul Charisma III


Level 18 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Feat: (Selected) Mental Toughness
Spell (9): True Resurrection
Enhancement: Favored Soul Longsword Specialization II


Level 19 (Favored Soul)
Skill: Balance (+0.5)
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Spell (9): Mass Heal
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Life II
Enhancement: Favored Soul Prayer of Incredible Life I
Enhancement: Favored Soul Energy of the Scion IV


Level 20 (Favored Soul)
Ability Raise: STR
Skill: Haggle (+0.5)
Skill: Heal (+1)
Skill: Jump (+1)
Spell (9): Energy Drain
Enhancement: Favored Soul Ascendancy: Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I

[Mellkor]

If you want to mostly duo stuff, I would highly reccomend a WF Lord of Blades build like the one I posted in another thread. You would have decent melee and great healing, and your wife would have great CC, nuking and buffing. It would be really hard to go without a more melee capable charater for a duo like this methinks. This is a great idea! Let us know how it works out!

-JR

[dcp101]

Thanks, Mellkor. I did consider your build actually when we both thought about playing warforged together but she's deadset now on Human and I will be playing the same. So I definitely need to be more "tank-ish" than what I have posted?

[ariel7]

I do two humans, a max wis favored soul and an exploiterish build. No need for the rest of the party unless raids in most cases.

[dcp101]

I do two humans, a max wis favored soul and an exploiterish build. No need for the rest of the party unless raids in most cases.

So that sounds like a caster and melee duo group. So two casters is out of the question here, huh.

[Mellkor]

Also consider if your wife went WF wizzy or sorc and you went WF FvS you would both be able to self heal and each other. That is a very important point to consider if you will mostly be duo'ing.

[dcp101]

Also consider if your wife went WF wizzy or sorc and you went WF FvS you would both be able to self heal and each other. That is a very important point to consider if you will mostly be duo'ing.

True, and that was my original proposal but she didn't like the way her warforged looked (women...) so she made a human and I'll be doing the same.

[cypan41]

not to beat a dead horse. But also if you went wf, your wife went human, You'd be able to heal yourself and her, she would be able to heal you.
Course if you're going for the Married look. I can understand her not wanting her toon to be married to a WF. What would people think!?!?!

[Mellkor]

Lol

[dcp101]

not to beat a dead horse. But also if you went wf, your wife went human, You'd be able to heal yourself and her, she would be able to heal you.
Course if you're going for the Married look. I can understand her not wanting her toon to be married to a WF. What would people think!?!?!

No comment.


What do you all think about the melee-build I posted?

[Cannithdude]

One would think that in this day and age, seeing a human woman walking down the street hand in hand with her warforged husband wouldn't be cause for a second glance even, but alas it seems that it is still not to be. We will just have to keep fighting the good fight for acceptance.

(sorry this is not a constructive post, I just couldn't help myself though heh)

[Mellkor]

LOL This thread made my day!

thanks for the laughs!

ps. your build looks fine. go with it and have fun!

[richieelias]

My opinion: on your tank build, drop shield mastery for extend, drop empower healing for empower, drop mental toughness for either a spell penetration feat or necro/evocation focus depending on what you think you need more at that point. This will significantly improve your spell dps, which I feel should never be dumped with any FvS build. Also, concentration is one of those "all or nothing" skills. Either maximize it and keep the ability to cast from scrolls and save mana by leaving quicken off from time to time, or dump it entirely and depend on quicken 100%.

Re: Diplomacy (on the other build). HAHA, who are you going to dump aggro onto? Your squishy wizard wife? She will not be pleased

Also, such a high str, dex, and con are unnecessary on a self healing class such as FvS. Dex is too high, you will reach the cap with mithril FP even with a 10 and a +6 item.

Con could be lowered to 14 and still have plenty of HP with toughness and FvS toughness enhancements.

Str could be lowered to 14 or even 12 and still have plenty after Divine power and str items. You're sword and board so melee dps isnt going to be that great anyway. You have to understand that the reason Mellkor's build has a high Str is that the WF specializes in Two handed weapons, which gains much more from strength than a sword and board build does.

Maximize Wis or at least take it to 16. Put all level stat points into Wis. Your dps on all spells will suffer otherwise, and with no way of grabbing aggro/keeping aggro from your wife other than comet/BB (no intimidate)... you will find that all you are doing with your FvS is healing your wife if you keep your Wisdom so low.