EPIC Wiz KIng Suggestions

[Wizzly_Bear]

45 min for Wizzy, lion and jackal?

Screenshot or it didn't happen.

i no longer take the completion so you wont get a ss from me, unless they change the looting. there's usually someone who takes the completion in group though so maybe they'll post it up.

+1 rep for the useful advice. I'm more focus on the spell parts as quoted above.

I think energy drain is one of the most useful spell. It just similar to Shavarath quests, but the mobs are even higher in CR and we need to drain them for more times *if* we definitely need to land a spell. (that i don't suggest) And if the spell is failed to land, it will still help the melees to beat the mob down. I tend to use those "mass" spells like mass hold monster/charm/suggestion and web. By probability, the spell will land on certain % of targets.

if you *need* to land a spell, land irresistable dance - no save. i usually dance, enervate scroll, enervate, enervate scroll, fts if its one of the more dangerous mobs. otherwise just dance if theyre not ones im going to firewall.

also, ive found that mass charm and suggest are broken, or something, i dont know. 1st time in chains i was casting mass charm, but they would always break a few seconds later (much sooner than their save timer) so i switched to mass suggestion, but they would still break a few seconds (rather than 4 minutes) later.

FtS is supposed to be useful in OOB but is a bit costly in terms of SP. (and we can't use CK to drop Con/Fort save)

you can use ck. they are not immune to stat damage, just resistant. its not efficient though unless you have a mass group and youre cooking/slicing them up.

I especially like the points about back to basic. For caster, it means we use will save spell against melees and fort/reflex save spells against casters.

another good point i forgot to mention.

-know your enemies and comrades strengths and weaknesses

-act on the above in accordance with the above

[Wizzly_Bear]

Hoo Haa, I do enjoy these epic quests, a challenge and forces the team to work together limiting zerging.

youve obviously zerged witht he wrong people. the best zergers zerg together as a team.

[ddoer]

-you can clear parts of wiz king and chains before you get locked in - do so, max buffs, go out and shrine, then start. its like getting a free shrine.

This is a crutch - a group that needs to do this probably isn't the sort of group you want to run with if you can help it

If everyone is level 20, why not go out for mana instead of downing potions? Have the team DD wait at beginning.... or would that just take too long? Does a barrier come up or something?

He is correct - I forgot to add this - You can clear the whole first chamber then go out, use shrine, come back in, open chest and place seal .. and be on your way. Its a great way to get a free shrine.

i say it is simply stupid if you DON'T go out for mana right before the blue shield is up. The parties who try epic are probably consisted of some of the best players and toons and many (if not most) of them still need to use a lot of resources/mana pots.

[moops]

Bottomline is teamwork and communication.

I did this last night and used 6 pots and maybe 120 scrolls--2 pots because I was sick and tired of the quest and too lazy to go back down to a shrine, the other 4 because our Wiz King fight got a little out of hand as none of us had ever done it b4--and ah, I was too lazy to shrine b4 the fight lol. I also do not have the Bauble yet.

Our group make up was 2 Intimtanks, one S& B the other was 2wf; Ranger; Monk; Sorc; Cleric. We did this pretty much the slowest boringest way possible shelidwall/firewall--but we used little resources, in fact if I hadn't been so lazy there wouldve been no pots used by me.. A Bard would make it faster if they were indeed a fighting bard. We were all guildies and people who group together all the time.

I don't know about BB in any of the Epic Quests, Im Evocation focused with all the gear cept Abbot item, and my BB barely scratches Epic Mobs in Wiz or Chains--though I have not done offering yet--but seems like many of those mobs would have evasion and high saves as well. In Wiz King My BB did like 117- 250ish to the sorcs 900 a tic , IMHO not worth the SP when I only have 2000 to begin with.

I do have concordant opposition and was letting an Archer charge me on one test run and someone who didn't know me so well was like, YOUR GETTING HIT BY AN ARCHER!

I do not see myself doing this quest again if all scrolls and seals drop in every quest, to me chains was much more fun, Wiz King boring boring. I think we can get chains down to 1:15 maybe--and there is a littlle more variety to the fights as well as I can actually use spells in there besides healing.

[soupertc]

we ran stuff through BB last night....got all the way to Red DA....and didn't seem to be an issue. Just ask Sam as we all stood around and got a good chuckle.

[shinmade]

we ran stuff through BB last night....got all the way to Red DA....and didn't seem to be an issue. Just ask Sam as we all stood around and got a good chuckle.

Nice. +1 for some really nice screenshots.

[moops]

45 min for Wizzy, lion and jackal?

Screenshot or it didn't happen.

Yes is this for all 3? I run with some pretty awesome players, and 45 mins doesn't seem to be anywhere in sight for us even if we pick up a bard. Perhaps we are killing too much,

[soupertc]

Yes is this for all 3? I run with some pretty awesome players, and 45 mins doesn't seem to be anywhere in sight for us even if we pick up a bard. Perhaps we are killing too much,

Yeah I gotta agree with ya. We did(or tried to do Wiz King...**** wraiths made it go south on us too...and Chains...Air Ele knocked our key bearer down to lava no way to get back up and GM said start over ) a few EPIC runs. We ran with all our twinked out toons and it got a little boring....but we were trying to kill everything to see drop rate on scrolls(it SUCKS!!!!!). I think once we all know what to expect we'll blow through them.....but it's nice to be challenged again.

[Angelus_dead]

Any suggestions on this quest or how to make it less expensive next time?

1. Get better players with you, who are instructed to not take damage for no good reason.
2. Have someone castHalt Undead.
3. Use the outside shrine after clearing gnolls, but before taking seal.
4. Have someone bring the three seals to insta-kill the djinni and efreet (obtained from undead quests on normal mode).

You can rehearse on normal mode to get practice at the jumps and avoiding golems and such.

[Angelus_dead]

1d. Don't cast Haste EXCEPT for combat. There's no reason to cast haste to get from point A to point B. Haste only causes ppl to get sloppy and sloppy = a surprise.

That's quite pointless advice: Of course you won't cast Haste when you're about to rest at a shrine. And EVERY other time you should be expecting to be in combat again almost immediately. There's no shortage of monsters in this quest.

[Wizzly_Bear]

Yes is this for all 3? I run with some pretty awesome players, and 45 mins doesn't seem to be anywhere in sight for us even if we pick up a bard. Perhaps we are killing too much,

yes, 45-50 minutes to get into the treasure room. most everything doesnt need to be killed. a bard helps a lot, especially if they have undead fascinate, as does getting the seals for the minibosses before going in.

[moops]

yes, 45-50 minutes to get into the treasure room. most everything doesnt need to be killed. a bard helps a lot, especially if they have undead fascinate, as does getting the seals for the minibosses before going in.

We had one seal, but the mini bosses only take a min or 2 to kill anyway.
It seemed that we got to orange alert pretty quick when passing too many mobs. ..did you guys just ignore that?

[Wizzly_Bear]

We had one seal, but the mini bosses only take a min or 2 to kill anyway.
It seemed that we got to orange alert pretty quick when passing too many mobs. ..did you guys just ignore that?

cant remember getting higher than yellow. periodic firewall drops kill a lot of stuff

[Atenhotep]

Yes is this for all 3? I run with some pretty awesome players, and 45 mins doesn't seem to be anywhere in sight for us even if we pick up a bard. Perhaps we are killing too much,

I believe 45 minutes for all three is something of an exaggeration but not impossible.

I know I can get it to an hour but ONLY if I use the very same ppl every time and they are well trained not to spawn extra mummies from coffins, but since this is so hard to get ppl to do no matter how many times you tell them and show them, its somewhat inevitable.

The three fights you should not be wasting time on though are the Efreeti and the 2 Djinni. Those fights never need to happen. Farm the seals on norm and you save a lot of time and resources.

[Atenhotep]

That's quite pointless advice: Of course you won't cast Haste when you're about to rest at a shrine. And EVERY other time you should be expecting to be in combat again almost immediately. There's no shortage of monsters in this quest.

Then you are running it wrong imo. You shouldn't constantly be in combat. If you are then you are not doing it right imo.

You need to limit the number of surprises and control your environment. This quest has always been my favorite because of the huge difference between a great run and a horrible run.

My first Epic run was an ok run. We didn't do anything wrong but we didnt take more advantage of methods available to us.

:and BTW: the reason you think you constantly need to be in combat might have something to do with casting haste and people being sloppy as a result.

[Wizzly_Bear]

I believe 45 minutes for all three is something of an exaggeration but not impossible.

you can believe what you like. that particular group was comprised of some of the best Thelanis has to offer, and only the first run for 2. im fairly confident that in a week or two we'll see < 30 minute runs.

[Aspenor]

[Gorby]

I know I can get it to an hour but ONLY if I use the very same ppl every time and they are well trained not to spawn extra mummies from coffins, but since this is so hard to get ppl to do no matter how many times you tell them and show them, its somewhat inevitable.

This is absolutely true. I had 5 epic completions this weekend, averaging about 2 hours each. The biggest problem I had, especially with epic first timers, was getting people to stay together and understand that these mobs are not just a notch above elite mobs. These dungeons require a completely new approach. Every chance we have to bypass a fight should be taken unless you're farming scrolls.

This means people must stay away from closed sarcophagi and not fall in any broken floors. On the last run last night, after the entire 6 party group succesfully dodged the three sarcophagi at the stairwell intersections going to the lever AND back, I had to stop and congratulate everybody. It was the first time in all runs that nobody broke a single coffin while getting to the switch and then back across the stairs after receiving thorough instruction on how to handle those rooms. Most people were real good at it, but it's alway's that one guy .. 'oops' .. ' oops' .. 'oops'..
A smooth run where everybody understands the dungeon should average about an hour once people are familiar with the quest and the necessary adjustments to our playstyle for epic difficulty.

[soupertc]

we did this last night......I wil only say I'm very tired...and can't wait to do it again. Love the fact tatics and communication are important again. Some of my fav qoutes are....

"Is that your Firewall?"
"Holy S**t that's not his firewall"
"Rez incoming"
"Please don't take rez in the firewall that isn't ours!"

Good times.....we had to PUG out some spots cause some of our friends lacked the intestinal fortitude to give it a go. Oh and as everyone knows....drop rate on scrolls stinks!!!! Have fun everyone.

[Healemup]

we did this last night......I wil only say I'm very tired...and can't wait to do it again. Love the fact tatics and communication are important again. Some of my fav qoutes are....

"Is that your Firewall?"
"Holy S**t that's not his firewall"
"Rez incoming"
"Please don't take rez in the firewall that isn't ours!"

Good times.....we had to PUG out some spots cause some of our friends lacked the intestinal fortitude to give it a go. Oh and as everyone knows....drop rate on scrolls stinks!!!! Have fun everyone.

And I about yacked when I saw the solo completion of this quest. Really?? It was a good time.