Tower of Despair: check what you are looting please

[shinmade]

After leading multiple successful TOD runs, I have noticed a trend with the new end-game players that are starting to raid in the level 17-20 zone. It is nothing new but it is worth reminding raid leaders to clearly state that you are about to open a raid chest and should be careful when they are going to loot as raid items will bind to your character.

I am tired of people taking loot that will probably end up as vendor trash.

Oh and using re-incarnation as an excuse to loot a +4 stat tome that will not benefit your character anywhere in the near future is just plain greedy and as far as I am concerned an invalid argument for taking something that was acquired thanks to the joint effort of 12 players putting in their time and resources to get a quest done.

[iraiqat316]

Hi there, People that pull loot from the end chest are going to do whatever they want with it, Period.

[arrrcher]

you might want to try stating a "need before greed" policy in your lfms. not sure you'll get many takers though.

[shinmade]

Hi there, People that pull loot from the end chest are going to do whatever they want with it, Period.

Hi welcome, thanks for stating the obvious.

It does not hurt to remind people to look at their loot before they actually click on the "loot all" button. I have been in multiple situations where the new player isnt even sure if they can use it and will ask more experienced players for feedback.

PS the "I pulled it its mine" argument is valid if you can justify that a given item will benefit you and be actually used ina way that will enhance your character. Taking a caster ring on a tank with a caster in the party that wants/needs it is just plain ********.

[pumagirl418]

After leading multiple successful TOD runs, I have noticed a trend with the new end-game players that are starting to raid in the level 17-20 zone. It is nothing new but it is worth reminding raid leaders to clearly state that you are about to open a raid chest and should be careful when they are going to loot as raid items will bind to your character.

I am tired of people taking loot that will probably end up as vendor trash.

Oh and using re-incarnation as an excuse to loot a +4 stat tome that will not benefit your character anywhere in the near future is just plain greedy and as far as I am concerned an invalid argument for taking something that was acquired thanks to the joint effort of 12 players putting in their time and resources to get a quest done.

and what type of cheese do you want with that?

all kidding aside, only time I have an issue with peoples looting raid stuff (under their name that is theirs, not the people that take stuff misassigned) if you litterally cannot use it. only case of that would be armor, a dwarf takes a docent or a warforge takes the vod armor. EVERYTHING ELSE, ANY TOON CAN USE. and if someone takes something to sell it because they are a jerk well thats another matter. you may not see it but they do, get over it

[Kaldaka]

It does not hurt to remind people to look at their loot before they actually click on the "loot all" button.

Ummm ... any item that is bind on acquire even after clicking the loot all button will actually cause a pop-up saying essentially "are you sure?" ... so obviously they were sure

[Hendrik]

After leading multiple successful TOD runs, I have noticed a trend with the new end-game players that are starting to raid in the level 17-20 zone. It is nothing new but it is worth reminding raid leaders to clearly state that you are about to open a raid chest and should be careful when they are going to loot as raid items will bind to your character.

I am tired of people taking loot that will probably end up as vendor trash.

Oh and using re-incarnation as an excuse to loot a +4 stat tome that will not benefit your character anywhere in the near future is just plain greedy and as far as I am concerned an invalid argument for taking something that was acquired thanks to the joint effort of 12 players putting in their time and resources to get a quest done.

The item with my name on it is my reward for working with the group to achieve success. Everytime this comes up the root issue is that something dropped for someone else that a person wanted for themselves.

If you want to control someone else's looting 'rights' you must be upfront and state so in your LFM and explain that to the group before the adventure is begun.

[shinmade]

I set myself up for this trolling frenzy.

[Beherit_Baphomar]

There's a pop-up box telling you what you are looting binds.

Those who disregard that and loot anyways will do whatever they want anyways.

"I thought it was a +6 Str ring" doesn't work. Either yer too stupid to check before you loot or you're lying.

We'll have these problems forever. Part of pug raiding I guess.

[gizmos19]

Hi welcome, thanks for stating the obvious.



PS the "I pulled it its mine" argument is valid if you can justify that a given item will benefit you and be actually used ina way that will enhance your character. Taking a caster ring on a tank with a caster in the party that wants/needs it is just plain ********.

you have no real argument just a bunch of want .
my rant before raid begins . your loot is your LOOT , you can sell it . trade it . roll it . if theres a tome in the chest and you didnt eat that kind then eat it . can't any one tell you what you can and can not do with your loot .
now i have lead many raids many times , ToD being the latest . in your 1st post you are suggesting that you lead a group of newbz though ToD bravo . on my server you got to know someone to get in a ToD run . i only alow 2 newbz on my runs . when we get to the end usealy everthing works it self out . as for loot we dont get mad . CUZ we all know that sooner or later we will get the dsiered loot .

[shinmade]

you have no real argument just a bunch of want .
my rant before raid begins . your loot is your LOOT , you can sell it . trade it . roll it . if theres a tome in the chest and you didnt eat that kind then eat it . can't any one tell you what you can and can not do with your loot .
now i have lead many raids many times , ToD being the latest . in your 1st post you are suggesting that you lead a group of newbz though ToD bravo . on my server you got to know someone to get in a ToD run . i only alow 2 newbz on my runs . when we get to the end usealy everthing works it self out . as for loot we dont get mad . CUZ we all know that sooner or later we will get the dsiered loot .

Let me grab an aspirin after trying to read that.

So you pull it its yours even if it wont benefit your character. Cool story bro.

[Lakeland]

So I would be expected to give a +4 tome to someone else that also gets the loot they pulled? Or is high end raid loot not given by individual? If it says it's my loot why should I give it to someone else? That's the beauty of this game, there are no loot issues.

Before you say "your being selfish" or anything like that lets understand something here. I have, on MANY occasions in too many MMO's to name, seen someone given something "Need before Greed" only to see that person sell the item give it to an alt. Considering I have no way of knowing if the person I am giving the item to already has one or not I don't see the valid argument of handing over something to them. The ONLY exception to this for me is if it's a guild run event/static group event with people I run with all the time. Other then that you will have to explain to me how me giving someone a +4 tome (when they might have already used one and just aren't saying so) and me walking away with little to nothing from doing a raid makes any sense.

It's not that I am mean, hateful or greedy it's simply that I don't trust "Joe MMO player" to be open and honest with there need over there greed. I have many times asked someone to give me an item they were looting (non bound item I could give to an alt or such) in trade for me handing them over an item.. ie we both get something.. and almost always I am told no. Who's the greedy one? Yea, again this game is perfect in the fact that loot actually has your name on it. This takes all the greed out of it. They have a method of allowing others to loot that item and for a guild or such that's perfect, but for a raid built like a PuG I don't see it.

[gizmos19]

Let me grab an aspirin after trying to read that.

So you pull it its yours even if it wont benefit your character. Cool story bro.

you are the type to swidel a newb out of his +4 con tome cuz con dosent benifit a wizzy hu .
thats what i am geting fom you

[Enochroot]

Remove people's **** loot from everyone else's view. I don't want to know, nor care, about the masterwork armor and 959 gold you just looted. Yes, I turn off the loot from my logs, but if you remove the view from the chest - all these discussions are over.


It just creates drama - remove being able to see other's lootz!!! Let people loot what they want without drama!

[Lakeland]

Remove people's **** loot from everyone else's view. I don't want to know, nor care, about the masterwork armor and 959 gold you just looted. Yes, I turn off the loot from my logs, but if you remove the view from the chest - all these discussions are over.


It just creates drama - remove being able to see other's lootz!!! Let people loot what they want without drama!

This would be PERFECT in my opinion. No need for people to see what others loot and in groups where you would feel comfortable giving something to someone you would do it anyway if they saw it or not.

[Hendrik]

Let me grab an aspirin after trying to read that.

So you pull it its yours even if it wont benefit your character. Cool story bro.

Yes.

I decide what to do with the loot assigned to me for my participation in the Quest/Raid.

You want to control what other's do with what is assigned to them if you think it will benefit you. What is yours is yours and what is mine is mine. Not what is yours is mine if I want it.

[gizmos19]

This would be PERFECT in my opinion. No need for people to see what others loot and in groups where you would feel comfortable giving something to someone you would do it anyway if they saw it or not.

It would seem that way . but i usealy group with alot of the same players .
i have a good idea how most of them are built and what they have . with that said i make alot of decitions based on that . ALL in ALL i like to see whats in there its a small rush to see something you like . even if a guildy/friend gets it . if we didnt see it . they could take it out the game and we will never know =(

[Gornn]

and what type of cheese do you want with that?

all kidding aside, only time I have an issue with peoples looting raid stuff (under their name that is theirs, not the people that take stuff misassigned) if you litterally cannot use it. only case of that would be armor, a dwarf takes a docent or a warforge takes the vod armor. EVERYTHING ELSE, ANY TOON CAN USE. and if someone takes something to sell it because they are a jerk well thats another matter. you may not see it but they do, get over it

There was the time I was in reaver back in the day on my caster and a barbarian looted the napkin saying "omg my wizard will love this!"

[shinmade]

this game is perfect in the fact that loot actually has your name on it. This takes all the greed out of it.

Just wanted to let you know that the scrolls needed to create epic items do not have your name on it and depend on the honesty of the whole party.

[Hendrik]

Just wanted to let you know that the scrolls needed to create epic items do not have your name on it and depend on the honesty of the whole party.

Guild runs FTW.