The Numbers Dont Lie

[Vance71975]

Ok if someone has already posted this im sorry. I went through and did the math, To have 10 slots,all races,all classes and all content, and the shared bank would take 15303 Turbine Points. 3300 Points cost 38.99 you have to buy 3300 points times 5 to have enough points to cover everything, that gives you 16500 points. Total cost for enough points to cover all the above, 194.95, and you own it for as long as the game is up, as a F2P player. As i see it, the ONLY reasons to be a VIP, are to lift the chat ristrictions and to remove the limit on the amount of plat your toon can have on him.After doing the math i am inclined to wonder why VIP well isnt very VIP at all.My question is, i guess What exactly is turbine thinking? That the players wont catch on?

Before you decide to flame me about this,I challenge you to log into the game, open the store, write down the numbers and do the math for yourself. I personally dont know if i will become VIP again after doing the math for myself.

[oberon131313]

they know it, but you aren't factoring in that additional content packs will come out, and they won't be free to play. That means that if they can continue the update cycle as they want to, you'll be buying packs every 2-4 months, which is more turbine points. It might not be as much as a VIP in the long run, but it is an option. VIP is for those of us that don't mind paying the $15 a month, and that don't want to deal with buying packs and all that ****.

[captain1z]

As i see it, the ONLY reasons to be a VIP, are to lift the chat ristrictions and to remove the limit on the amount of plat your toon can have on him..

vip
premium
f2p

premium has the same chat and gold privelages as vip.

[Minor_Threat]

[Nevernew]

Well, I went VIP about a month ago, since then I've level my character up to level 15 and done a decent number of the raids available. It's cost me $30. If I did the TP option, it's all up front costs. It may be the best option over a long period of time but I don't feel like dropping $200 on a game I may get sick of a month down the line and quit playing.

[Vance71975]

Well, I went VIP about a month ago, since then I've level my character up to level 15 and done a decent number of the raids available. It's cost me $30. If I did the TP option, it's all up front costs. It may be the best option over a long period of time but I don't feel like dropping $200 on a game I may get sick of a month down the line and quit playing.

Oh i understand that, i was refering more to long time players who know the love the game and are not gonna get sick of it, Ya VIP is good for a month or two to decide if you like it, after that its seems pointless to not just make the investment and not have to worry about it.

[Vance71975]

vip
premium
f2p

premium has the same chat and gold privelages as vip.

AHHH see this i did not know! thanks for the info on that!

[Vance71975]

No not a conspircy at all, actually, it seems quite stupid on TURBINE's part, because, and i know this will never happen, but IF every single player decided to drop the 200 on points, buy everything and not subscribe, turbine could in reality go under, or at least close this game.

[Vance71975]

they know it, but you aren't factoring in that additional content packs will come out, and they won't be free to play. That means that if they can continue the update cycle as they want to, you'll be buying packs every 2-4 months, which is more turbine points. It might not be as much as a VIP in the long run, but it is an option. VIP is for those of us that don't mind paying the $15 a month, and that don't want to deal with buying packs and all that ****.

But as you said, in the long run, it would be FAR cheaper than being a subcriber. lets go just an 8 year figure. In 8 years, as a vip, you will spend around 1440.00 not includeing fee increases.If i drop 200 now, and say 34 when ever a new mod comes out on points, in 8 years i am still gonna spend a FRACTION of the money you do.If enough people figure this out, it could, in the long run, really hurt turbine money wise.

[MasterBurik]

Then we need to make THIS the conspiracy!

Sssshhh! Quit telling everyone!

[Minor_Threat]

You don't understand marketing or consumers.

[Arnya]

IF every single player decided to drop the 200 on points, buy everything and not subscribe, turbine could in reality go under, or at least close this game.

Imagine the revenue turbine would have to produce more content!!

The new content would, in turn, get more players onboard, especially all the players that left after nearly a year of nothing new to do....

I paid $15/month for 3 years, bought 5000 points on special and went premium.

With my veteran points added in, I can pretty much unlock everything I want

[Minor_Threat]

Imagine the revenue turbine would have to produce more content!!

The new content would, in turn, get more players onboard, especially all the players that left after nearly a year of nothing new to do....

I paid $15/month for 3 years, bought 5000 points on special and went premium.

With my veteran points added in, I can pretty much unlock everything I want

Yes, the OP is missing the point, if everyone dropped $200, it would be like your job giving you an advance for the next year.
Which gives them money for more content and more stuff that your $200 didn't buy.

[Vance71975]

You don't understand marketing or consumers.

Ok but i understand saving money, and i understand, at least in the USA, the economy is not doing well, people IE consumers are looking for ways to save money whenever possible,myself included.Cost efficenty wise, Being a VIP doesnt pay, plain and simple. If there was a bunch of things, that VIP's got, that you couldnt buy in the DDO store, i would agree, but there isnt. Preimum members, which are still Free to play, can have as much gold/plat as a VIP,no chat restrictions, and can buy all the content, own it for the life of the game, FOR FAR CHEAPER, am i the only one that thinks not spending more than you have to for the same thing is a GOOD idea? Its this little thing called COMMON SENSE, and i refuse to believe that NO ONE has it anymore.

[Vance71975]

Yes, the OP is missing the point, if everyone dropped $200, it would be like your job giving you an advance for the next year.
Which gives them money for more content and more stuff that your $200 didn't buy.

OK here is the point your missing.

lets say EVERYONE does what i suggest.On a 1 year time scale.

Turbine makes lets say 2 million(just a number off the top of my head)

BUT they would make 8 million IN vip subscriptions in the same 1 year time frame.

Lets say in that year, they release 4 mods(ha ha ya right), and they are priced point wise as mods are now.

And on those 4 mods lets say they make another 2 million(HIGH figure)

They have now made 4 Million on everyone buying points and the new mods.

But they have STILL LOST 4 million in possible revenue from VIP accounts.

And in following years, if they lose that UP FRONT 2 million, so now there up to losing 6 million a year. THAT is also considering they put out 4 mods a year. WHICH THEY DONT.

Are you seeing were it is POSSIBLE for them to really lose money on this?

Is my Point clear now? The Point is this, On the front end yes, it could create a huge revenue jump for turbine, but on the back end, in the long run, they could lose a TON of money! I never said they WILL lose it, just that it is POSSIBLE.

[Minor_Threat]

Its this little thing called COMMON SENSE, and i refuse to believe that NO ONE has it anymore.

Maybe it's that no one has your special brand of common sense.

[hippy069]

As good as this all may sound. I'm not entirely certain that turbine would shoot themselves in the foot that badly. I'm sure if push came to shove, once having aquired money for all the F2P players to buy everything, they may just go back to P2P, and you would have nothing to show for that money. Then who would be the dumb ones? There is nothing keeping them at F2P.

[Vhlad]

I'm paying 9.99/month. For the $194.95 upfront cost to purchase everything to start saving me any money, I would have to be paying for 19.5 months. However, that assumes that there is no additional content to buy during those 19.5 months, an assumption that is false. We're 2 months in and patch 1 is upon us, which will include a content pack to purchase, as well as additional features (extra shared bank space, which is about 1100 points right?). If there are 5 content updates during the next 19.5 months (i.e. about 1 every 4 months), then that could add another $50 (or more!) [bringing it up to at least 24.5 months]. Furthermore, after 24.5 months I will have accumuated 12250 turbine points from my VIP sub (a value of $144.73 at the 3300 points for 38.99 price point).

Also, something to keep in mind, the lifetime subscription for Hellgate London was $149. It turned out to be a horrible deal, as the game didn't even last 1 year in north america or europe. With the legal issues between Turbine and Atari, I'm quite happy to settle for my 9.99 VIP and 500 points.

[Minor_Threat]

Is my Point clear now?

I think you are incapable of clarifying.

I hope lots of people do what you say, it would be great for the game & Turbine.

[Vance71975]

As good as this all may sound. I'm not entirely certain that turbine would shoot themselves in the foot that badly. I'm sure if push came to shove, once having aquired money for all the F2P players to buy everything, they may just go back to P2P, and you would have nothing to show for that money. Then who would be the dumb ones? There is nothing keeping them at F2P.

That is a very well thought out and very true point!