You Win a Roll on a +4 Tome and Someone Else takes it. What Should You Do?

[Valiance]

(Edited due to information posted before I could hit send)

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[Talon_Moonshadow]

If you feel someone else did something wrong, all you can do is not group with those people again. And maybe tell your friends what happened and why you will not group with them again.

But since the loot was never in your name, it was never really yours.....so while you may have been treated unfairly, you never actually lost anything.

[Heffty_Smurf]

**** you Hefty. Here I am pretty much convinced you are a d-bag and there you go sounding completely honorable and reasonable.

+1 rep.

keep your rep as a matter of fact shove it directly up your own.....

Honestly, why he hasn't been banned boggles the mind and just reduces any so called threat of repercussions from behaving poorly on the forums or in game.

yes im a horrible person lol not only should i be banned on the forums and the game but i should be picked up by the local police and executed......if the crime is pointing a finger at noobs like you and giving you a shot of honesty that contrary to what ur mama might of told you you cant be anything you want if you put your mind to it. some people such as yourself just simply arent equipped.

by the way your post about how based on your build u were very knowledgable really made me laugh. i felt bad looking at your build that it was so bad and you had no idea exactly how bad it was.

[Heffty_Smurf]

I am really shocked we havent seen one of these post in this thread......

i saw the smurf sign in the sky and came running

[Charlemagne2]

I love the smell of drama in the morning.

On a side note:

You should all go back and reread this thread and look at how silly you all look.

I understand the justification/frustration but at the end of the day move on and play the GAME.

With whom you play it thats they story.

[Thrudh]

i felt bad looking at your build that it was so bad and you had no idea exactly how bad it was.

Heh, this from the guy who claims to have the best paladin in the game.... period.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

fact is and its been stated before, your loot is your loot. if u wanna pull it u pull it, if u wanna pass it u pass it, if u wanna leave it in the box to irritate others u leave it, if u want to put it up for roll u put it up for roll, but if u decide not to honor the roll that IS your right because it IS your loot. BUT....it sure looks bad and isnt the right thing to do.

Thanks for the clarification Heffty. Your attack on the OP in this thread is not helpful (we were jerks but so is he?) but it is nice to know this isn't acceptable to AoK either and that we shouldn't expect to see this again.

[t3pt6k]

I do not think though that bringing it to the forums is going to accomplish much.

The only thing it accomplished was to expose the truth of what actually happened, I'm sure the OP is better off for that. He'll get plenty of chances at +4 tomes and I'm sure the loss of this "fake" tome hasn't kept him awake at night.

[EAB]

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[ArkoHighStar]

OP u got screwed, and i know the story from all sides. I am the guild leader of the A.O.K., the guild that was running the raid. I was not in the raid but was on vent and had an extensive conversation about what happened. The person that recieved the tome was not in A.O.K. but was a player from UB who participates in 2 channels that many from A.O.K. and UB also participate in. No he was not a guildy but yes he is a player that we play with on quite a regular basis.

As I watched J$ speak without the facts in his post and try to make my guild look bad, (great source lol, one of the most known exploiters on the server and his perma vacation should serve as his credentials), or in this post where the person who recieved the tome is made to look bad, i feel i should speak up. Again i was not in the group but about 8-9 guildies were and explained the situation and i have also spoken with the couple players from UB. I agree that the OP was wronged. I spoke with the party leader and he has taken responsibility for telling the ranger to pass it to our sorc friend from the channels. That does not for 1 second make me think that the ranger is not partially responsible for this event.

From many of my guildies that were in the run the impression of the op was poor. Though the raid was obviously completed, they felt that his contributions to the group were not that of the other players. is that true, idk i wasnt there but i would tend to believe the 6 or so guildies that all said the same thing in this case. Furthermore there was some irritablity that when pot count was called for the op claimed he had used 10 pots when most of the people in the party STRONGLY felt that his # of pots used was fabricated and he was simply trying to get free pots out of the group. Again I wasnt there, im not the type to be hush hush when someone is slinging the bull but thats me.

So the raid leader instructed the puller to pass the tome to the sorc for the reasons being #1) the person who pulled the tome didnt pay enough attention to see that there was 1 non guildie/non channel person that may roll should he put it up for roll (for the record the roll ABSOLUTELY SHOULD HAVE BEEN HONORED),
#2) the raid leader recognized that the puller had jumped the gun and that the sorc could A. use it more because of his class and B. is also someone that we play with regularly and will directly have an effect on the gaming of the guild and people in the channel and #3) it was widely felt that in addition to poor performance in the raid that the op was trying to sandbag pots

In guild we have had the discussion of how this was handled, i still feel strongly that it was not handled correctly. But it happened. Idk how long we are gonna see people argue about it here on the forums but it happened and its done. As a guild we have spoken and established what our gameplan will be should the situation arise again. but bottom line is that it is a game. If your life hinges on a fake item in a fake reality then u have issues, however i also realize that i would be p*ssed if this had happened to me as well. I do not think though that bringing it to the forums is going to accomplish much. In J$ case he brought it to cause drama. that is expected because he is a sad human being that clearly has an emptiness about him in rl that he tries to fill by attempting to seem like an internet toughguy. my suggestion to him is to light another scented candle and curl up with a good book, eventually somebody will love you. The op however has a valid arguement, but posting it here will do nothing to change it, what it will do is make more guilds/channel groups go into quests with the idea that rather chance drama like this that they will either take the tomes and not let people roll or just pass them to a friend/guildie without a roll.

fact is and its been stated before, your loot is your loot. if u wanna pull it u pull it, if u wanna pass it u pass it, if u wanna leave it in the box to irritate others u leave it, if u want to put it up for roll u put it up for roll, but if u decide not to honor the roll that IS your right because it IS your loot. BUT....it sure looks bad and isnt the right thing to do.

alright who hijacked Hefty's account

I can't believe I am saying this but +1 rep for you

[Elsbet]

Here me cast about DDO and other topics such as this at www.mmosmacktalk.com

Hey! Gratuitous self promotion! The one thing we hadn't seen in this thread yet!

We've now hit every form of forum drama available!

[Largo_Kyber]

This all goes back to something I learned very early on in the DDO loot system:

The loot Maxium #1:
The loot generated for you in the chest when you open it, is your loot.

If loot gets generated for someone else- even if it's up for a roll- you may get it, but you are not entitled to it.

I've been in situations where something is put up for a roll, everyone starts rolling, and then someone offers plat for the item- owner caves in- rolls ingnored.

I've won rolls for loot only to have it assigned either accidently or on purpose to someone else.

If the chest doesn't assign it to you- don't expect much- is what I've come to learn.

The generous generally outnumber the greedy and usually things work out. If a greedy guild or player mishandles loot like in the OP's case- it sucks- but it wasn't yours to begin with and whatever happens -happens. Move on.

We all have horror stories about loot we think we were screwed out of and it sucks but the system is fair per loot maxim #1.

[hermespan]

Word, there's almost no reason to do this. The tome should most definitely have gone to the sorc anyway.

Since UMD is the most useful skill in the game, and most characters that have it, pump it as much as possible, for a charisma tome, any UMD invested character has as much right as a sorc, not to mention bard, paladin, intimidate and bluff users, every one of which is important for party health.

IMHO anyone should have a right to roll on any tome. What you view as important isn't always what everyone else does. Even a sorc should be able to roll on a STR tome. Being encumbered half way through a raid when it's all useful stuff is a real PITA.

Then again, this is one of those things everyone should be clear on before the raid starts when it's a PuG or intra-clan raid. I certainly don't want to participate in a raid where I'm automatically excluded from a +4 CHA tome if it drops or where only the sorcs get to roll on it unless I know I am one of the 3 people that gets to roll on the DEX tome. What if I already have a +4 dex tome and need CHA? If I'm helping my clan, I at least want to know up front and have the opportunity to digest it all up front.

My 2 cents FWIW... By extension, charisma is the most universally useful stat in the game, all things considered, across the most classes and multiclasses. The same could be said for most stats more or less.

The only way to be truly fair is to let everyone roll on them. If you win the CHA tome and feel like giving it to the Sorc, that's your loot and your choice, but at least you had the choice, which you earned by being in a raid for 3 hours.

[Hendrik]

yes, it's not your loot, it's group loot. it's a group effort. to say it's your loot is to say you solo'd the raid

that's my philosophy: goes to those that can use it the most. as a group effort, i don't think it's unreasonable to expect that from yourself and others

I appreciate your reply and respect your point of view - even though I disagree.



Thank you Tot.

[jerryxenon]

imo paladin should actually come first for a charisma tome, then sorc, then bard, then intims and umds, then everyone else (fvs included with "everyone else")

Can I add you to my friends list lol

[WeaselKing]

OP u got screwed, and i know the story from all sides. I am the guild leader of the A.O.K., the guild that was running the raid. I was not in the raid but was on vent and had an extensive conversation about what happened. The person that recieved the tome was not in A.O.K. but was a player from UB who participates in 2 channels that many from A.O.K. and UB also participate in. No he was not a guildy but yes he is a player that we play with on quite a regular basis.

As I watched J$ speak without the facts in his post and try to make my guild look bad, (great source lol, one of the most known exploiters on the server and his perma vacation should serve as his credentials), or in this post where the person who recieved the tome is made to look bad, i feel i should speak up. Again i was not in the group but about 8-9 guildies were and explained the situation and i have also spoken with the couple players from UB. I agree that the OP was wronged. I spoke with the party leader and he has taken responsibility for telling the ranger to pass it to our sorc friend from the channels. That does not for 1 second make me think that the ranger is not partially responsible for this event.

From many of my guildies that were in the run the impression of the op was poor. Though the raid was obviously completed, they felt that his contributions to the group were not that of the other players. is that true, idk i wasnt there but i would tend to believe the 6 or so guildies that all said the same thing in this case. Furthermore there was some irritablity that when pot count was called for the op claimed he had used 10 pots when most of the people in the party STRONGLY felt that his # of pots used was fabricated and he was simply trying to get free pots out of the group. Again I wasnt there, im not the type to be hush hush when someone is slinging the bull but thats me.

So the raid leader instructed the puller to pass the tome to the sorc for the reasons being #1) the person who pulled the tome didnt pay enough attention to see that there was 1 non guildie/non channel person that may roll should he put it up for roll (for the record the roll ABSOLUTELY SHOULD HAVE BEEN HONORED),
#2) the raid leader recognized that the puller had jumped the gun and that the sorc could A. use it more because of his class and B. is also someone that we play with regularly and will directly have an effect on the gaming of the guild and people in the channel and #3) it was widely felt that in addition to poor performance in the raid that the op was trying to sandbag pots

In guild we have had the discussion of how this was handled, i still feel strongly that it was not handled correctly. But it happened. Idk how long we are gonna see people argue about it here on the forums but it happened and its done. As a guild we have spoken and established what our gameplan will be should the situation arise again. but bottom line is that it is a game. If your life hinges on a fake item in a fake reality then u have issues, however i also realize that i would be p*ssed if this had happened to me as well. I do not think though that bringing it to the forums is going to accomplish much. In J$ case he brought it to cause drama. that is expected because he is a sad human being that clearly has an emptiness about him in rl that he tries to fill by attempting to seem like an internet toughguy. my suggestion to him is to light another scented candle and curl up with a good book, eventually somebody will love you. The op however has a valid arguement, but posting it here will do nothing to change it, what it will do is make more guilds/channel groups go into quests with the idea that rather chance drama like this that they will either take the tomes and not let people roll or just pass them to a friend/guildie without a roll.

fact is and its been stated before, your loot is your loot. if u wanna pull it u pull it, if u wanna pass it u pass it, if u wanna leave it in the box to irritate others u leave it, if u want to put it up for roll u put it up for roll, but if u decide not to honor the roll that IS your right because it IS your loot. BUT....it sure looks bad and isnt the right thing to do.

You said it better than me but this is about what I was trying to say, especially the scented candle part. In fact, I have just the screenshot at home to go with that notion.

[Galacticus]

This will be opened and ALL HELL will break loose





That's right Tarrant it's time to show the bag!

[Heffty_Smurf]

Thanks for the clarification Heffty. Your attack on the OP in this thread is not helpful (we were jerks but so is he?) but it is nice to know this isn't acceptable to AoK either and that we shouldn't expect to see this again.

do u have trouble with reading comprehension? i didnt attack the op, i agreed with the op, i also stated what some of the people in the party had conveyed to me. since i was NOT in the party i can only go with what the majority is saying. i pointed out those facts because those were the facts told to me from several different people. i was not looking to attack the op at all.

[WeaselKing]

You know, all this drama could have been avoided if we just had the old raid loot system back.

Of course, a whole different load of drama would be happening but at least this event would have been prevented.

[Heffty_Smurf]

that bag photo was stolen property lol i have been instructed not to post any phtos of my bag because people get enraged with ddo bag envy. i do not in any way endorse that photo it was stolen fronm the guild website