You Win a Roll on a +4 Tome and Someone Else takes it. What Should You Do?

[Atenhotep]

imo str/dex and con are way more important than cha. 25-50 sps is nothing in 3000. 11 base cha +6 item +2 tome = 19, all you need for casting. savings aps....some people will pull any argument out their crack the +4 wouldnt save you any inventory slot nor aps.

Oh, so a healer .. with healing spells .. shouldn't have as much mana as they could possibly get? Oh really?

Funny that you begin throwing up sandmen about inventory slots right after making personal insults about butt-cracks. oh the irony.

[Yajerman01]

Don't these statements sort of conflict? I'm not seeing how I am "misinterpreting" anything.

Yes you are.

in one instance im stating a tome is useful for any class for any stat so who is to say they cant use it.

in the other im stating how i regulate the disbursement of a tome i have pulled.

Regulating how I distribute a tome is in no way shape or form stating the tome is not useful for you.

[Tarackian]

You are certainly misinformed. and know nothing of what you speak. FVS also use charisma as a primary stat.

Word, there's almost no reason to do this. The tome should most definitely have gone to the sorc anyway.

[Enochroot]

Yes you are.

in one instance im stating a tome is useful for any class for any stat so who is to say they cant use it.

in the other im stating how i regulate the disbursement of a tome i have pulled.

Regulating how I distribute a tome is in no way shape or form stating the tome is not useful for you.

... what?

[Wizzly_Bear]

Oh, so a healer .. with healing spells .. shouldn't have as much mana as they could possibly get? Oh really?

ummm....yeah. are you saying that 1 extra heal spell is going to make or break your raids? that its more valuable than the other uses for other builds that i posted? tell me your alts and ill buy you that 1 extra heal

Funny that you begin throwing up sandmen about inventory slots right after making personal insults about butt-cracks. oh the irony.

[Enochroot]

This is absolutely ignorant in how cha works for FvS.

There's a few actually good reasons for FvS to take a +4 cha tome, and I'm not seeing it in "healing" FvS (maybe I'm misinterpreting what a "healing" FvS is ...

- to minimize cha investment and still cast level 9 spells - and minimize enhancements/gear
- to use cha skills (umd, intim, etc)

I "assumed" (yes, maybe wrongly) - that a "healing specced FvS" would have plenty of cha to cast level 9 spells, and probably doesn't care that much about being super "tight" on cha points, and also, that a "healing specced" build wouldn't be umd/intim.


To call cha a "major" stat on FvS other than that is otherwise ridiculous. The spell point gain from cha increase is negligible - and to say it's the "same" as for a bard or a sorc is just plain stupid.

You are certainly misinformed. and know nothing of what you speak. FVS also use charisma as a primary stat.

I'll quote myself - reputable source.

[Atenhotep]

This is absolutely ignorant in how cha works for FvS.

To call cha a "major" stat on FvS other than that is otherwise ridiculous. The spell point gain from cha increase is negligible - and to say it's the "same" as for a bard or a sorc is just plain stupid.

Yup. I have a different opinion than you so the automatic default is that I am, of course, a hundred different kinds of stupid and you are brilliant.

I hope the next time a healer runs out of mana healing you because you didnt buy any heal pots you remember just how "ignorant" I am.

[Yajerman01]

well, any fighter which is not Intimidate specced.

Bah! Halfling 12/6/2 fighter/pally/monk with minimal intimidate, but that pally splash coupled with UMD has value for me. Improved saves, UMD, and pally melee enhancements sounds viable.

But I digress, I get what your saying.

[Atenhotep]

ummm....yeah. are you saying that 1 extra heal spell is going to make or break your raids? that its more valuable than the other uses for other builds that i posted? tell me your alts and ill buy you that 1 extra heal

My main is in my sig and I think anyone looking at it can pretty reliably say that I am a far more credible source for judging.

[Yajerman01]

... what?

sorry can't help you there. I hear college courses like english 102/103, comprehension and critical thinking might help you though.

Cheers!

[Delt]

no. its not.

sorc = dc and sps
bard = dc, sps, and perform
paladin = extra saves, extra smite damage, and extra lay on hands damage
fvs = extra sps

Just because you choose to leave "casting level" off the FVS entry doesn't make it true...and therefore, doesn't make your opinion any less silly.

It's kinda like if I choose to believe people purposefully bug out big red in part 4 and he doesn't just do it by default since the last patch. I can believe whatever I want, but most people who know better would consider me a ******

[Garth_of_Sarlona]

just be lucky there wasn't a monk/20 in the party - I'm sure they would have rolled for the +2 boost to the DC of their Shining Star finisher.

Garth

[Enochroot]

Yup. I have a different opinion than you so the automatic default is that I am, of course, a hundred different kinds of stupid and you are brilliant.

I hope the next time a healer runs out of mana healing you because you didnt buy any heal pots you remember just how "ignorant" I am.

20 sp is going to make you run out of sp in a raid? Out of 2700 sp? Really? And really out of 3200+ sp?

I definitely have a different opinion than you, yes. None of my 4 cleric/fvs' run out of sp in raids, don't see why you should.

[Atenhotep]

Bah! Halfling 12/6/2 fighter/pally/monk with minimal intimidate, but that pally splash coupled with UMD has value for me. Improved saves, UMD, and pally melee enhancements sounds viable.

But I digress, I get what your saying.

Actually I agree. I was in eror not to include UMD Builds specifically as well.

My main cleric is a UMD build (she uses stone skin wands, teleport scrolls, etc) and is hoping that our TOD grinds results in a +4 WIS and CHA Tome.

[Wizzly_Bear]

My main is in my sig and I think anyone looking at it can pretty reliably say that I am a far more credible source for judging.

how so? that build is neither a fvs nor is impressive. what am i looking for here?

[Enochroot]

Yes you are.

in one instance im stating a tome is useful for any class for any stat so who is to say they cant use it.

in the other im stating how i regulate the disbursement of a tome i have pulled.

Regulating how I distribute a tome is in no way shape or form stating the tome is not useful for you.

sorry can't help you there. I hear college courses like english 102/103, comprehension and critical thinking might help you though.

Cheers!

I understand your english, however, your logic makes no sense.

A tome is useful to anyone - so who is to say they can't use it - but you can say which classes can use a tome, and which can't.


That makes no sense.

[BrianTheHun]

I'm just curious, did the sorc roll for the tome before he went afk?

[Wizzly_Bear]

Just because you choose to leave "casting level" off the FVS entry doesn't make it true...and therefore, doesn't make your opinion any less silly.

funnily enough caster level is actually determined by your level in that class, not by cha

It's kinda like if I choose to believe people purposefully bug out big red in part 4 and he doesn't just do it by default since the last patch. I can believe whatever I want, but most people who know better would consider me a ******

riiight, because the people saying "xxx xxxxxx xxx xx xxx xxxx xxx xxx...he'll bug out" were totally not trying to cheat. my bad.

[Atenhotep]

20 sp is going to make you run out of sp in a raid? Out of 2700 sp? Really? And really out of 3200+ sp?

I definitely have a different opinion than you, yes. None of my 4 cleric/fvs' run out of sp in raids, don't see why you should.

Wow!!1one!1! You have four healers and you've never ran out of mana?! Thats superduper uber dude! You should definitely post a course lesson in the forums because YOU are the only healer to ever be able to say that. I'm sure we are all very impressed.

BTW: Are you one of those people who started you FvS with a CHA of 12 .. because afterall CHA isn't important to a FvS .. or are you just arguing to create drama?

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Personally I think you all have it wrong. The Barbarian should have taken it for when he TRs as a sorc.