You Win a Roll on a +4 Tome and Someone Else takes it. What Should You Do?

[DDO_Noob]

I wasn’t going to post anything or make a big deal about what happened to me on a recent ToD run… but there’s been another forum post with untrue information about the event… and I’ve been getting tells asking me what happened. I’ll post the facts here (with names and guilds removed) and you can decide if it was an honest mistake or if I got screwed.

* I join a ToD group LFM that is looking for a healer (I’m a heal-spec FvS). Everyone is in the same guild except me and a couple others.

* We complete the raid and a +4 CHA tome drops for a Ranger in the group. He decides to put it up for roll.

* I get the high roll with an 85 but for some reason the tome gets assigned to a Sorc in the group.

* I speak up and let the group know that I didn’t get the tome. The Ranger says he made a mistake and gave the tome to the wrong person.

* We ask the Sorc to assign the tome to me (in group chat and in tells). The Sorc does not respond. He is standing next to the chest and not responding to tells or chat.

* Ranger says he sent tells and the guy must be AFK. He says I should wait till he gets back.

* People start leaving group after getting end rewards and it’s just me and the Sorc standing next to the chest.

* A few minutes after the last person leaves the group (only the two of us in group now) the Sorc loots the +4 CHA tome and recalls.

* I send tells to Sorc… saying that was ‘uncool’ and ‘W T F’.

* Sorc responds with “Is there a problem. I was AFK because I had to drive a family member somewhere”.

First off, I don’t know any Sorc that would go AFK for a roll on a +4 CHA tome. Also, why would he come back and just loot it without saying anything to me standing there or reading his chat? The whole thing seems a bit “fishy” to me. I don’t think the ranger was involved. He felt bad about the incident and even sent me a /tell while on another character offering me a +2 tome (that I didnt take) because he felt bad about what happened.

Everything I listed above is fact. There’s some more information that I considered posting but it’s hearsay and I don’t think that the guild involved would intentionally exclude my roll.

So what do you think… honest mistake or did I get screwed?

[Wizzly_Bear]

from what you've said, you did get jipped....however, i gotta ask - why would you roll on a +4 charisma tome on a fvs?

[FluffyCalico]

Most likely the sorc did it on purpose. But without knowing the name and guild noone can know for sure. There are about 10-15 people on this server known for this.
If you PM myself and some others who will ask we might be able to comfirm if this is a known issue with this person or not.

[Enochroot]

from what you've said, you did get jipped....however, i gotta ask - why would you roll on a +4 charisma tome on a fvs?

Word, there's almost no reason to do this. The tome should most definitely have gone to the sorc anyway.

[karnokvolrath]

Weather he sould have gotten or not seems a stretch for someone being a troll. If it is agreed to be rolled on, then that that regardless. But, what can u do, these things happen.....

[FluffyCalico]

Word, there's almost no reason to do this. The tome should most definitely have gone to the sorc anyway.

In which case it should:
1) Have been put up for roll for specific classes only
2) At least told him why it was being given to the sorc instead
3) Not been lied about and played off as an accident which it wasn't

[Uska]

from what you've said, you did get jipped....however, i gotta ask - why would you roll on a +4 charisma tome on a fvs?

I have to ask why wouldnt you on a FvS I would for sure even vs a sorc or a bard

[Roricon]

That's pretty genius !

OP It's kinda pointless to figure out what you gonna do cuz you got screwed .

At least get a +2 tome then, it's not that useless after all.

[Auran82]

I have to ask why wouldnt you on a FvS I would for sure even vs a sorc or a bard

Its the same as a Paladin taking a +4 Wis tome over a cleric or FvS really.

[BurningDownTheHouse]

I have to ask why wouldnt you on a FvS I would for sure even vs a sorc or a bard

Because for a FvS it is just a few insignificant spell points, while for a sorc or bard it's their DC.
Need before greed ftw

[Uska]

Its the same as a Paladin taking a +4 Wis tome over a cleric or FvS really.

If my paladin had one show up I'd use it in a heartbeat and would say a word if a ranger or paladin in any group I was in did the same, and if anyone gave someone flack for it I would question grouping with them again.

[Uska]

Because for a FvS it is just a few insignificant spell points, while for a sorc or bard it's their DC.
Need before greed ftw

YOur loot is your loot and no telling someone else how to play their character and it could save that Fvs an item slot for spell lvl and most sorcs or bards proably wont get a dc from it as it likely would put them at a odd number, I also wouldnt fault a monk on rolling on it.

[ddoplayer064]

OP, you were boned, and boned hard. Whether you should have rolled or not is for another discussion. Not much you can do except never group with that guild again, and inform your own guildies/friends the apparent policies of that guild.

[BurningDownTheHouse]

YOur loot is your loot and no telling someone else how to play their character and it could save that Fvs an item slot for spell lvl and most sorcs or bards proably wont get a dc from it as it likely would put them at a odd number, I also wouldnt fault a monk on rolling on it.

Your loot is your loot, no questions asked.

But lets use the example above:
The ranger technically could benefit from a +4 charisma tome (more plat, maybe umd).
He decided to be generous.
When i take advantage of that, i try to be as considerate as the guy that put it for a roll, i.e. not roll for a charsima tome on a monk when there are sorcs in the group.

[Enochroot]

In which case it should:
1) Have been put up for roll for specific classes only
2) At least told him why it was being given to the sorc instead
3) Not been lied about and played off as an accident which it wasn't

I agree - it was handled poorly - but the OP should focus more on his ignorance or blind greed than on others, imo.

Because for a FvS it is just a few insignificant spell points, while for a sorc or bard it's their DC.
Need before greed ftw

Exactly.

YOur loot is your loot and no telling someone else how to play their character and it could save that Fvs an item slot for spell lvl and most sorcs or bards proably wont get a dc from it as it likely would put them at a odd number, I also wouldnt fault a monk on rolling on it.

You have no idea what number it would put them at - it's certainly more valuable to many classes than a FvS - pally, sorc, bard, lesser extent intim/umd builds (which this FvS may fall into, who knows)


I wouldn't fault anyone for rolling if they have a need - but I wouldn't come on here saying I rolled against a sorc for a +4 tome on my FvS either ...

[Xyfiel]

Reminds me of a guildy getting yelled at on a cleric for taking Madstone boots a bit ago. When he mentioned it in guild chat we were like "hey you pulled them, they are yours, but you know you can't cast in them?" and they replied "I will be reincarnating to a different class, and I told them that." Don't know if he got blacklisted or not, but it is sound logic.

Times have changed. When I reincarnate my chars, I will be looking over their current raid loot to determine what build to make. After all, I can just swap builds based on raid loot I have in their banks.

[nochipatzin]

When I win the hound came out bracelets with my caster force and leading directly to said that I wanted and gave them to the only fighter who had made another roll, served me a lot because I do not like it when 0 strength left in me I can not cast and no evil came to heal me heal myself 20% more but I only write good tuition and since then I got the titan belt, so do not give importance then you do I have what you want , as I said earlier that if the tuition notes and you do I have something you want to equal the.

Sorry about my english :P

[Elsbet]

3) Not been lied about and played off as an accident which it wasn't

You don't know that is what happened. Since I've run with some of the people involved for well over 2 years, I'd say it is highly unlikely that is the case.

Drama much?

[Asketes]

need before greed, please proceed

but all who can use, please abuse



same reason my rogue will roll on an int tome

same reason my righter will roll on a cha tome (saves & intim)

same reason monks should roll on a str tome

[moomooprincess]

if the Sorceror was in their guild then I would say a mistake. If the ranger knew the Sorceror and the sorceror was in their guild, and the ranger tried to make up for it, I vote that the ranger has high honor and the ranger would not associate with less honorable players.

If the Sorceror was another PUGger, now that might be a problem.

Did the sorceror roll on the tome? Because, if the sorc was there and rolled I highly doubt the the sorceror "left" to drive someone.

Was the sorceror loot still in there? If the loot is still in the chest, then the sorceror probably did leave. If the loot was gone, then the Sorceror looted and was standing there and quite possibly going to wait until you left the group.

I could definitely see looting as soon as he/she gets back. If a true DDO addict the guy hurries back after "leaving" and just loots the chest. He notices the group has left he wants to keep playing, loot all and go. If I was the sorceror and I saw a +4 tome I would have thought it was nice the others left it for me and looted.

If the sorceror had rolled and looted, then something smells funny. Because by rolling the sorceror agreed to the terms of the unwritten code that it was a roll off.

I always think it is funny that people "leave" at certain times.

Finally, it is just a game. You could be getting shot at or bombed or lose your job or lose your house.

Write down the player as a possible unfriendly and go on.