You Win a Roll on a +4 Tome and Someone Else takes it. What Should You Do?

[Atenhotep]

how so? that build is neither a fvs nor is impressive. what am i looking for here?

LOLOL You deserve +1 rep for making a funny. LOL

(you have earned yourself the ignore switch because I have zero tolerance for trolls)

[Wizzly_Bear]

Personally I think you all have it wrong. The Barbarian should have taken it for when he TRs as a sorc.

nah, he should keep it for when level 21 comes out and he grabs a sorc level for repair light damage. those extra sps might save a raid! but only on the barb/sorc, not on the pure sorc of course.

[Yajerman01]

but you can say which classes can use a tome, and which can't.

I am dictating the pecking order, I NEVER stated who can and cannot use it. Dont contort the meaning.

[Tarackian]

Wow....Seem like everyone seem to know what the OP should have or shouldnt have done.

OP...you got screwed....learn your lesson and stay away from them. I don't even know them but the old saying applies: fool you once shame on them...fool you twice shame on you.........don't be burned twice.

Bottom line all you apparent FVS haters, the OWNER of the tome allowed him to roll. That is enough. No matter what the rest of you think it happened. Deal with it.

[Wizzly_Bear]

LOLOL You deserve +1 rep for making a funny. LOL

(you have earned yourself the ignore switch because I have zero tolerance for trolls)

youre the one who said to look at it as it made you more credible. the build is average. the gear is slightly above average. if you were worried about sps you'd have a sorc level and maybe bard level and be wearing some concordant opposition items.

[Astria]

I play casters of all varieties most of the time, from wizard to sorcerer to favored souls. Don't really care who rolls on what, or for what reason. It's just a game, I can live without another +1 DC, or 40 sp, or whatever it is I'd get from a tome depending on the character. It's a game, and I'd rather just have a good time playing than worry about the barbarian that got a +4 charisma tome over me; But I do think that established loot rules should be respected, as it is simply poor gaming etiquette otherwise. Even when it does happen, I don't think it's something to get all that upset over. You have a choice of who to group with. Don't join LFMs with that person in group, just leave if they join after. Choices are wonderful things.

[Wizzly_Bear]

I play casters of all varieties most of the time, from wizard to sorcerer to favored souls. Don't really care who rolls on what, or for what reason. It's just a game, I can live without another +1 DC, or 40 sp, or whatever it is I'd get from a tome depending on the character. It's a game, and I'd rather just have a good time playing than worry about the barbarian that got a +4 charisma tome over me; But I do think that established loot rules should be respected, as it is simply poor gaming etiquette otherwise. Even when it does happen, I don't think it's something to get all that upset over. You have a choice of who to group with. Don't join LFMs with that person in group, just leave if they join after. Choices are wonderful things.

/agree

[WeaselKing]

As far as I can tell I am the first person to post in this thread (other than the OP) who was there and I have a better understanding of what exactly did happen as I was in channel with everyone else and in Vent with most of the party.

First of all the sorc was not in guild although he was known through the channel.

Personally, I never actually heard the call to roll on the tome, I am not saying that it didn't happen, just that I didn't hear it.

The decision to give the tome to the sorc and not to the person who won the roll was made by the party leader not the person who looted although the person who looted did go along with it. However, the party leader wishes to tak the credit/blame for the transfer.

Honestly we were all kind of thrown off by the tome and didn't know what to do with it. If we had taken a moment to think things through we probably would have just assigned the tome to the bard in group that was a guildy or we would have assigned it to the known sorc. Instead somehow rolling started for the tome which the only person in group who we did not know won. It did not leave a good taste in the party leader's (or anyone else's) mouth that the tome was not going to someone with whom we regularly group and therefore would not benefit us. so the party leader yelled in ventrilo until the tome got assigned to the sorc. Now the sorc was indeed afk at this point, however someone that was in the same building as the sorc went to their computer to loot it for them (as I understand it).

It was kind of a bum deal, I would have been pretty ****ed off too (similar things have happened to me before). Especially the way you seemed to be led on that you might still get the tome when everyone else knew better. It is just a game however and you will get other loots on other days. Just remember our guild tag, we are not exactly famous for being nice.

-Aces over Kings

[Delt]

funnily enough caster level is actually determined by your level in that class, not by cha

CHA determines the level of spell a FVS is capable of casting. I didn't say caster level, I said "casting". You want to call that requirement something else, feel free...but pretending to be confused by my terminology seems pretty pathetic and obtuse. But maybe you weren't pretending....

riiight, because the people saying "xxx xxxxxx xxx xx xxx xxxx xxx xxx...he'll bug out" were totally not trying to cheat. my bad.

You don't need to do anything to make it happen (the fact that you still think so just highlights your lack of knowledge). You do need to do things to "fix" it, however. Alternatively, you could simply just stand in front of him and choose to take damage.

Most people aren't that idiotic though, and take the path of least resistence until Turbine fixes it. Most people...

[Atenhotep]

As far as I can tell I am the first person to post in this thread (other than the OP) who was there and I have a better understanding of what exactly did happen as I was in channel with everyone else and in Vent with most of the party.

First of all the sorc was not in guild although he was known through the channel.

Personally, I never actually heard the call to roll on the tome, I am not saying that it didn't happen, just that I didn't hear it.

The decision to give the tome to the sorc and not to the person who won the roll was made by the party leader not the person who looted although the person who looted did go along with it. However, the party leader wishes to tak the credit/blame for the transfer.

Honestly we were all kind of thrown off by the tome and didn't know what to do with it. If we had taken a moment to think things through we probably would have just assigned the tome to the bard in group that was a guildy or we would have assigned it to the known sorc. Instead somehow rolling started for the tome which the only person in group who we did not know won. It did not leave a good taste in the party leader's (or anyone else's) mouth that the tome was not going to someone with whom we regularly group and therefore would not benefit us. so the party leader yelled in ventrilo until the tome got assigned to the sorc. Now the sorc was indeed afk at this point, however someone that was in the same building as the sorc went to their computer to loot it for them (as I understand it).

It was kind of a bum deal, I would have been pretty ****ed off too (similar things have happened to me before). Especially the way you seemed to be led on that you might still get the tome when everyone else knew better. It is just a game however and you will get other loots on other days. Just remember our guild tag, we are not exactly famous for being nice.

-Aces over Kings

DO you realize you just outted the Party Leader as a liar?

Please tell me his name so I do not group with him.

Thanks.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

I play casters of all varieties most of the time, from wizard to sorcerer to favored souls. Don't really care who rolls on what, or for what reason. It's just a game, I can live without another +1 DC, or 40 sp, or whatever it is I'd get from a tome depending on the character. It's a game, and I'd rather just have a good time playing than worry about the barbarian that got a +4 charisma tome over me; But I do think that established loot rules should be respected, as it is simply poor gaming etiquette otherwise. Even when it does happen, I don't think it's something to get all that upset over. You have a choice of who to group with. Don't join LFMs with that person in group, just leave if they join after. Choices are wonderful things.

stop being sensible

[WeaselKing]

DO you realize you just outted the Party Leader as a liar?

Please tell me his name so I do not group with him.

Thanks.

Yes. He will embrace the title.

[Kistilan]

Personally I think you all have it wrong. The Barbarian should have taken it for when he TRs as a sorc.

This is like the third reference to FotM zerging via TR in this post. And everyone said, "No Kist, that's never going to happen. Maybe a few will, but most people won't roll up easier classes and then switch at endgame." *shakes head*

At least they go back to a level 1 (but as a 34/36 pointer, oooh-hah!)

OP: That guy that looted your tome was a ******. You won based on an open roll. Everyone can interject their opinion on how the roll should have been handled, but the roll was handled as an open roll to all and you won.

Two things:

1. If the leader and the Sorc were both in the same guild, I'd call Shenanigans on the guild. That Sorc had plenty of time to read his party, guild, and tells before looting the tome.

2. If the Sorc was not in the same guild as the leader and had no direct or subtle connections to the guild, I'd blacklist the Sorc only -- especially if the guild tried to make up for it in any way to you on how the roll went down.

[Enochroot]

Wow!!1one!1! You have four healers and you've never ran out of mana?! Thats superduper uber dude! You should definitely post a course lesson in the forums because YOU are the only healer to ever be able to say that. I'm sure we are all very impressed.

BTW: Are you one of those people who started you FvS with a CHA of 12 .. because afterall CHA isn't important to a FvS .. or are you just arguing to create drama?

yeah, 12, and I'll reincarnate with 8, why does that matter?

[totmacher]

Wait Tot, you advocate just giving it to the SORC BEFORE any roll so he can just take off with it?

Your telling me that my loot should to be assigned to someone before I decide what I want to do with it in some naive belief he will not take off with it or put it up for roll?

So if you pull a 4 INT Tome you will automatically just give it to the WIZ and let him/her decide what to do with it???

The only person in that party that should be ashamed is the one person that did not live up his/her own 'putting it up for a roll'.

Dishonest and shameful actions to say the least.

yes, it's not your loot, it's group loot. it's a group effort. to say it's your loot is to say you solo'd the raid

that's my philosophy: goes to those that can use it the most. as a group effort, i don't think it's unreasonable to expect that from yourself and others

[WeaselKing]

2. If the Sorc was not in the same guild as the leader and had no direct or subtle connections to the guild, I'd blacklist the Sorc only -- especially if the guild tried to make up for it in any way to you on how the roll went down.

It is important to realize the sorc had absolutely NO ROLE in getting the tome transferrred to him. He was not in the vent channel where most of the discussion took place. He was afk when it happened and it was a family memeber who went to their somputer to loot it. PLEASE DO NOT BLAME THE SORC!! Blacklist our entire guild if you like but the sorc should IN NO WAY be held responsible.

[Kistilan]

DO you realize you just outted the Party Leader as a liar?

Please tell me his name so I do not group with him.

Thanks.

Jeebus....

What a bunch of kittens. The Party Leader is dishonest. I guess it's not the Sorc at all to blame (he wasn't there even looting!) Lame. I'd like a PM on this bundle of kittens and associated names.

[Atenhotep]

yeah, 12, and I'll reincarnate with 8, why does that matter?

LOLOL

How you people ever make it through Epic .. if ever .. will be something to see.

Best of luck to you.

(My Guild was the first on our server to get ToD down with no mana pots.)

[Kistilan]

It is important to realize the sorc had absolutely NO ROLE in getting the tome transferrred to him. He was not in the vent channel where most of the discussion took place. He was afk when it happened and it was a family memeber who went to their somputer to loot it. PLEASE DO NOT BLAME THE SORC!! Blacklist our entire guild if you like but the sorc should IN NO WAY be held responsible.

The needs of the many are greater than the needs of the few?

It's honorable and senseless. I don't know who to respect and despise more.

[Wizzly_Bear]

CHA determines the level of spell a FVS is capable of casting. I didn't say caster level, I said "casting". You want to call that requirement something else, feel free...but pretending to be confused by my terminology seems pretty pathetic and obtuse. But maybe you weren't pretending....

casting level is not the term then. and anyway, please explain to me how a +4 tome would save them an inventory slot. its not a +6. and why is the fvs inventory slot more valuable than the sorc's dc, sps, and possible inventory slot? why is it more valuable than giving a paladin more healing, more dps, and better saves?

ive never once said that its not useful to a fvs. i am saying that it would be a lot more useful to many other builds and classes.

You don't need to do anything to make it happen (the fact that you still think so just highlights your lack of knowledge). You do need to do things to "fix" it, however. Alternatively, you could simply just stand in front of him and choose to take damage.


Most people aren't that idiotic though, and take the path of least resistence until Turbine fixes it. Most people...

by your own admission here you do have to do something to make it happen. the opposite of your alternative.

and i dont do the fight normally out of idiocy, i do it for a little bit of challenge. fortunately for me im not so gimped a player that i need to cheat to win this fight.

why dont you list your alts?