2Mk/6Pal/12Ftr Evasion of Good

[TheJusticar]

Been fiddling with this build.

Elf: 16/15/14/11/12/8

Lvl (1-2) Mk
Lvl (3-14) fighter
Lvl (15-20) Pally

Dual Scimis. Kensai II (Dunno if it would also be possible to get KoC from pally).

Set of +2 tomes @ lvl7.
All power-ups in STR.

Input/Comments always welcome.

Godspeed.

[lord_of_rage]

That could be a fun build. I think Id go go slightly different in the way you set the lvls but thats a personal pref. Id prob take the 2 pally lvls off the bat because wands are cheaper and loh is good then slide the monk lvls in maybe at 4/8 but thats me. Let me know how it turns out.

[TheJusticar]

That could be a fun build. I think Id go go slightly different in the way you set the lvls but thats a personal pref. Id prob take the 2 pally lvls off the bat because wands are cheaper and loh is good then slide the monk lvls in maybe at 4/8 but thats me. Let me know how it turns out.

Wow, excellent point. I like being self reliant and wands and LoH definitely are life savers.

Godspeed.

[Vengenance]

Why pally instead of ranger? Going 6 levels of ranger gets you Tempest, TWF, and ITWF, use of heal wands, Bow Strength, and a couple of spells including Rams Might. What will 6 level of Pally get you except 1-2 weak LOH, a couple of smites, maybe divine sacrifice (have to check).

[TheJusticar]

Why pally instead of ranger? Going 6 levels of ranger gets you Tempest, TWF, and ITWF, use of heal wands, Bow Strength, and a couple of spells including Rams Might. What will 6 level of Pally get you except 1-2 weak LOH, a couple of smites, maybe divine sacrifice (have to check).

Vengeance I'm already leveling a 2rge/6Rng/12Ftr as a matter of fact This build would be just for flavor. Though, putting those few precious points on CHA will probably hurt me. The only thing I'd get from pally are fear immunity, divine grace and +1 to +3 on saves (depending on CHA), +1 AC, and possibly 1d6 extra against evil outsiders.

Again ... just fiddling with the possibility. I usually don't roll a toon unless I'm really willing to spend the resources on it.

Godspeed.

[Dylvish]

Looking at things on the builder, I kind of like the paladin splash idea myself for my next char, namely for surviveability, and he may offer a little more to group as well when he is grouped. While you do give up some DPS admittedly, I found on my fighter/ranger (lower level admittedly, only 8) that I get smacked with a lot of spells like holds, etc. Looking at 6 paladin I'm seeing the following...

.....Immune to Fear / Disease (+3 fear saves to party members)
.....+CHA bonus to all saves (adds up nicely later with +6 items on)
.....+2 (3?) AC to paladin AND party members.
.....+3 concentration bonus to pally / party members (yeah, not much of a big thing for the char himself, but helps group)
.....+1 (2?) to all saves for pally and party members (i love this one)
.....Divine Sacrifice I - +5d6 damage and increases crit multiplier by 1. Nice bit of fun there =)
.....Exalted Smite I - again, just a nice little burst bonus.
.....Smite evil - same
.....Lay Hands - Weak healing as you said, but its instant and dont have to swap to a wand to use them. =) Very .....handy oh **** buttons.
.....Remove Disease - more helpful to others in group, but handy nonetheless.
.....KoTC I = yet more fear resist for group, + hit and +1d6 damage vs Outsiders, +2 all saves vs them (kind of like an improved favored enemy vs outsiders)
.....Divine Might (+2 damage clicky) - not a lot but its sacred.
.....Divine Light I - if you want to spend the point, 6d6 aoe light damage vs undead.
.....Unyielding Sovereignty - Clicky Heal ALL damage / remove all effects from ally. This does not work on self, but is incredibly helpful as an oh **** button for the party.
.....For spells they get the basic cleric bevy, with Divine Favor coming to mind for extra hit/damage.


Ranger gives

.....TWF / ITWF - not much to say here. Saves 2 feat slots, gotta love that.
.....Tempest I - +10% melee haste, +2 AC to self when dual wielding. Similar or 1 pt lower than pally aura, but self only.
.....Granted Ranged skills - just putting it in here, can come in handy at times i guess =P
.....Favored enemy X2 - again, more damage vs 2 chosen types (and enhancements to add +2 more damage/hit/defense vs. them).
.....Dexterity Enhancement - This can be nice if Dex starved or taking armor feats for a high dex build.
.....Ram's Might spell - +2 str buff. Handy



From what I'm seeing its the same basic argument we alway encounter, more dps, or more surviveability / adaptability. The ftr/rngr is a dps beast but very focused on just that, while the ftr/pally is more surviveable and offers bonuses (defensive) to the party if grouped. I love the idea of both and think both will be very strong myself. Now I just need to decide if im going to make my monk/pally/ftr a dorf(insane saves), human(yay more feats and adapt), or drow(more of a finesse build and resists) =)


Come to think of it, I may go rogue/pally/ftr human. Use rogue to boost the dex +2, and Human for a con or 2 (or wisdom), while enjoying the start off bevy of rogue skills and the slight add of sneak attack bonus damage. Im told that monks wisdom bonus to AC does not work in armor in game, So other than the evasion I am assuming it was namely for the wisdom class stat you were going monk?

[TheJusticar]

Looking at things on the builder, I kind of like the paladin splash idea myself for my next char, namely for surviveability, and he may offer a little more to group as well when he is grouped. While you do give up some DPS admittedly, I found on my fighter/ranger (lower level admittedly, only 8) that I get smacked with a lot of spells like holds, etc. Looking at 6 paladin I'm seeing the following...

.....Immune to Fear / Disease (+3 fear saves to party members)
.....+CHA bonus to all saves (adds up nicely later with +6 items on)
.....+2 (3?) AC to paladin AND party members.
.....+3 concentration bonus to pally / party members (yeah, not much of a big thing for the char himself, but helps group)
.....+1 (2?) to all saves for pally and party members (i love this one)
.....Divine Sacrifice I - +5d6 damage and increases crit multiplier by 1. Nice bit of fun there =)
.....Exalted Smite I - again, just a nice little burst bonus.
.....Smite evil - same
.....Lay Hands - Weak healing as you said, but its instant and dont have to swap to a wand to use them. =) Very .....handy oh **** buttons.
.....Remove Disease - more helpful to others in group, but handy nonetheless.
.....KoTC I = yet more fear resist for group, + hit and +1d6 damage vs Outsiders, +2 all saves vs them (kind of like an improved favored enemy vs outsiders)
.....Divine Might (+2 damage clicky) - not a lot but its sacred.
.....Divine Light I - if you want to spend the point, 6d6 aoe light damage vs undead.
.....Unyielding Sovereignty - Clicky Heal ALL damage / remove all effects from ally. This does not work on self, but is incredibly helpful as an oh **** button for the party.
.....For spells they get the basic cleric bevy, with Divine Favor coming to mind for extra hit/damage.


Ranger gives

.....TWF / ITWF - not much to say here. Saves 2 feat slots, gotta love that.
.....Tempest I - +10% melee haste, +2 AC to self when dual wielding. Similar or 1 pt lower than pally aura, but self only.
.....Granted Ranged skills - just putting it in here, can come in handy at times i guess =P
.....Favored enemy X2 - again, more damage vs 2 chosen types (and enhancements to add +2 more damage/hit/defense vs. them).
.....Dexterity Enhancement - This can be nice if Dex starved or taking armor feats for a high dex build.
.....Ram's Might spell - +2 str buff. Handy



From what I'm seeing its the same basic argument we alway encounter, more dps, or more surviveability / adaptability. The ftr/rngr is a dps beast but very focused on just that, while the ftr/pally is more surviveable and offers bonuses (defensive) to the party if grouped. I love the idea of both and think both will be very strong myself. Now I just need to decide if im going to make my monk/pally/ftr a dorf(insane saves), human(yay more feats and adapt), or drow(more of a finesse build and resists) =)

My exact rationale for giving up 6Rng on this build. Pally are just so incredibly survivable. My philosophy is that if you're dead your DPS is exactly zero.

Godspeed.

[Dylvish]

Fiddled around with the builder, came up with the following.

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Templar II 
Level 20 Lawful Good Human Male
(12 Fighter \ 6 Paladin \ 2 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 324
Spell Points: 45 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 22
Reflex: 20
Will: 13

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             16                 21                   24
Dexterity            15                 17                   18
Constitution         12                 14                   14
Intelligence         11                 14                   14
Wisdom                9                 10                   10
Charisma             14                 15                   18

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 4
+1 Tome of Charisma used at level 6
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 20
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 20
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 20
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 20

                  Starting            Ending          
                 Base Skills        Base Skills       
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)        
Balance               6                 20            
Bluff                 2                  4            
Concentration         3                  4            
Diplomacy             2                  4            
Disable Device        n/a               n/a           
Haggle                6                  8            
Heal                  1                  7            
Hide                  2                  4            
Intimidate            6                 26.5          
Jump                  7                 13            
Listen               -1                  0            
Move Silently         2                  4            
Open Lock             n/a               n/a           
Perform               n/a               n/a           
Repair                0                  2            
Search                0                  2            
Spot                  3                  4            
Swim                  3                  7            
Tumble                6                  8            
Use Magic Device      6                 26            

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Human Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I


Level 2 (Paladin)
Feat: (Automatic) Aura of Good
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Smite Evil
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Enhancement: Paladin Focus of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I


Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Automatic) Divine Grace
Feat: (Automatic) Lay on Hands
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Human Improved Recovery I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I


Level 4 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: INT
Feat: (Automatic) Aura of Courage
Feat: (Automatic) Divine Health
Feat: (Automatic) Fear Immunity
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I


Level 5 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Trip) I
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Strength I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I


Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Luck of Heroes
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I


Level 7 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II


Level 8 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: DEX
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II


Level 10 (Fighter)


Level 11 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III


Level 13 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Combat Expertise


Level 14 (Paladin)
Feat: (Automatic) Turn Undead
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I


Level 15 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Khopesh Specialization I
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Charisma I
Enhancement: Paladin Focus of Good II
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I


Level 16 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Automatic) Remove Disease
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice I


Level 17 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Stunning Blow


Level 19 (Fighter)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Fighter Tower Shield Mastery I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness III

I went rogue for the level splash for the touch of dex, skill points, and a some extra damage here and there to help out since the build gave up some dps for surviveability compared to ftr/rng.
I kept tomes down to a couple of +1's at earlier levels to be affordable for those of us that arent very rich ( and if if you want a 28 pt build, I put the extra 4 into con and str) and keep it simple for people to tweak or modify with their lesser / greater fortunes.

I am liking how it looks, but Id like some feedback on what you think (is this kind of what you had in mind?) and others.

Look forward to hearing from ya,
~Dylvish

[TheJusticar]

I am liking how it looks, but Id like some feedback on what you think (is this kind of what you had in mind?) and others.

Look forward to hearing from ya,
~Dylvish

Nice work. Very similar to what I had in mind. The only difference being that I would start with 12 CON (since Monk, Pallys and Fighters have nice hit dice), INT 11 (so that with a +2 int tome I can get Combat Expertise (for tanking mode), and try to start with a 10 WIS else it makes no sense Splashing Monk. With so-so gear this build would rock. Greensteeled and rare items it would prolly be an amazing build able to solo yet a welcome addition to any party. Let me play with the builder sometime this weekend

Godspeed.

[TheJusticar]

Here's my build:

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Deoden 
Level 20 Lawful Good Human Female
(12 Fighter \ 6 Paladin \ 2 Monk) 
Hit Points: 300
Spell Points: 40 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 22
Reflex: 17
Will: 14

                  Starting            Ending          
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats        
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)        
Strength             16                 23            
Dexterity            15                 18            
Constitution         12                 14            
Intelligence         11                 13            
Wisdom               11                 12            
Charisma             12                 14            

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 4
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 5
+1 Tome of Wisdom used at level 5
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting            Ending          
                 Base Skills        Base Skills       
Skills           (Level 1)          (Level 20)        
Balance               6                 12            
Bluff                 1                  2            
Concentration         1                  2            
Diplomacy             1                  2            
Disable Device        n/a               n/a           
Haggle                1                  3            
Heal                  0                  3            
Hide                  2                  4            
Intimidate            3                 25            
Jump                  5                 24            
Listen                0                  1            
Move Silently         2                  4            
Open Lock             n/a               n/a           
Perform               n/a               n/a           
Repair                0                  1            
Search                0                  1            
Spot                  4                  5            
Swim                  3                  6            
Tumble                4                  6            
Use Magic Device      3                 13.5          

Level 1 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Toughness
Feat: (Human Bonus) Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Kama
Feat: (Automatic) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Shuriken
Feat: (Automatic) Finishing Moves
Feat: (Automatic) Flurry of Blows
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Ki Strike: Damage
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Handaxe
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency: Club
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency: Dagger
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency: Heavy Crossbow
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency: Light Crossbow
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency: Quarterstaff
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency: Unarmed
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Unarmed Strike


Level 2 (Paladin)
Feat: (Automatic) Aura of Good
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Smite Evil
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip


Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Luck of Heroes
Feat: (Automatic) Divine Grace
Feat: (Automatic) Lay on Hands


Level 4 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Automatic) Aura of Courage
Feat: (Automatic) Divine Health
Feat: (Automatic) Fear Immunity


Level 5 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency


Level 6 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack
Feat: (Selected) Toughness


Level 7 (Fighter)


Level 8 (Monk)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Combat Expertise
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Feat: (Automatic) Meditation


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting


Level 10 (Fighter)


Level 11 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting


Level 13 (Paladin)
Feat: (Automatic) Turn Undead


Level 14 (Paladin)


Level 15 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Mobility
Feat: (Automatic) Remove Disease


Level 16 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Spring Attack


Level 17 (Fighter)


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Skill Focus: Intimidate
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Stunning Blow


Level 19 (Fighter)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Shield Mastery

Didn't bother with PrEs but Kensai II, KoC I.
With Racial and Class toughness, and items this build can get in the 450+ HP territory.
Dual Wielding unless in intimitank mode with tower shield plus + 4 Insight Weap, + alchemical rituals to both shield and armor Dex 24 or so, +3 dodge DT / chattering ring/ chaosguard and combat expertise can easily reach mid 60s self buffed. Nothing to write home about in raids, but pretty decent in normal situations.

Godspeed.

[Dylvish]

I like it, although I do not have near the access to those fantastic tomes (recently returned to game, and there was a gaff of some sort, lost the chars i had. got class / race unlocks for an imsorry).

Im curious, why monk over rogue? I am lead to believe monk's wis AC bonus does not apply in armor, and both of them get evasion at 2, so it seems that the 2 levels of rogue offer more if only for the base skills bonus and the extra die+3 damage.

Also, I noticed you took intimidation over UMD. I am not sure, but would this char be able to tank end game very well? If not, a more mediocre intim and more UMD for when solo / desperate measures are needed with scrolls and wands would be better, no?

As for the stats, looking at it, I think I agree with you,and will try out starting with those myself, although I wont be able to land the higher tomes till my late teens I'm thinking, so I'll be working with some +1's for quite a while.

And finally, I'm not sure what 'PRE's' stands for, could you fill in that blank? =)

This is looking more and more like it will be my char i use for grinding / leveling and favor farming for its shear versatility.

~Dylvish

[Monkey_Archer]

May want to take a look at my build 12 Kensai / 6 DOS / 2 monk
Its a hate tank concept... never did roll it up as an elf though... leveling it as a dragonmarked halfling for even more self healing

[Dylvish]

May want to take a look at my build 12 Kensai / 6 DOS / 2 monk
Its a hate tank concept... never did roll it up as an elf though... leveling it as a dragonmarked halfling for even more self healing

Good stuff. Again I notice the 2 monk over 2 rogue. I am obviously missing something. =)
Can anyone fill me in on the advantages of taking the 2 monk splash over the 2 rogue splash? See my comments 2 posts above.

I am pretty eager to get started on mine, and need to figure out weather Ill be starting monk or rogue before I roll em up.

[TheJusticar]

Good stuff. Again I notice the 2 monk over 2 rogue. I am obviously missing something. =)
Can anyone fill me in on the advantages of taking the 2 monk splash over the 2 rogue splash? See my comments 2 posts above.

I am pretty eager to get started on mine, and need to figure out weather Ill be starting monk or rogue before I roll em up.

In short, Monks get two extra feats. However, with such low WIS, I'm finding it hard to justify. I'm already leveling a 2rg/12rng/6Pal (UMD/Traps/Locks/Intimi) this would be a variation on the free tri-classing allowed by DDO theme Already have a 2rog/18 Pally and love playing her. As for PrEs: check this out. As for intimi ... my evasion pally can get raid buffed to 70 AC. That's more that enough to tank/intimi VoD on norm and most end-game quests up to elite. You do get hit, of course, but only about 25-30% of the time. Less if you have a friendly caster keeping the displacement up.

[Dylvish]

In short, Monks get two extra feats. However, with such low WIS, I'm finding it hard to justify. I'm already leveling a 2rg/12rng/6Pal (UMD/Traps/Locks/Intimi) this would be a variation on the free tri-classing allowed by DDO theme Already have a 2rog/18 Pally and love playing her. As for PrEs: check this out. As for intimi ... my evasion pally can get raid buffed to 70 AC. That's more that enough to tank/intimi VoD on norm and most end-game quests up to elite. You do get hit, of course, but only about 25-30% of the time. Less if you have a friendly caster keeping the displacement up.

Ah prestige class, gotchya. I have to admit im surprised you passed them up, as they offer some nice stuff. Yours seems a little more tank oriented, even for the tri build, than mine does I guess. I Picked up Kensai and KotC, which offers help in dps and to a limited extent tanking (couple more AC and saves from KoTC). I think i had 1 or two feats to play with in the rogue build, never mind the monk, so I think I'm ok there (although if i can get the tome and juggle I do want to get CE into mine, may even swap it out for PA, as I probably wont use PA as much later on).

Intimidation.. sounds like I may have to pick some more of that up then. =P
Lol looks like not one but 2 great builds are forming up on this thread, love to see it. Just bookmarked it =)


I am curious, if you passed up on both PRE's what did you fill your enhances with in place?

[TheJusticar]

I have to admit im surprised you passed them up, as they offer some nice stuff.

I am curious, if you passed up on both PRE's what did you fill your enhances with in place?

No, no lol. You misunderstood me My build is based on KoC I and Kensai II. What I meant to say is that I didn't bother to put those in the build planner

Godspeed.

[Dylvish]

Ok, took all the conversation ideas, and ideas I picked up that I liked from your monk splash build, and put them into my rogue splash. The only thing's I did not get in there was mobility / leap attack, and imp shield bash (which I actually may swap out for power attack later on, since I recall using CE more and more as I leveled up, not even using it much when dpsing.... i LIKE keeping my shield bonus while bashing with it).

I deleted and re posted the updated build further up in the thread so it wouldnt get swamped with repeats of the same.
It seems I lost 2 feats, picked up a little more dps, and somehow got a few more hps and slightly higher reflex / will saves. Being able to avoid cranking wisdom let me put a bit more into CHA, which will increase my and my parties AC a few points (as well i think as adding a point or two more to my save rolls). Not positive but I may be 1 or 2 points behind you on strength though.

Take a look when you get the chance and let me know if you see any other tweaks needed.

Be nice if someone gets a stickied thread with some of these finished / tweaked builds for FTRs on top of the forum. I spent a disturbing amount of time trying to dig up different builds, etc across the multitude of pages.

~Dylvish

[Blazer]

I am liking how it looks, but Id like some feedback on what you think (is this kind of what you had in mind?) and others.

I took a quick look and have two recommendations. First, don't spend a feat on Luck of Heroes. With your pally levels and CHA score, it's a waste of a feat, your saves will be plenty high. Second, unless you have no access to +2 tomes, don't put your level up points into INT and DEX, throw them all into STR. I see you started at 15 DEX and 11 INT; just use +2 tomes to hit 17 (ITWF, GTWF) and 13 (CE).

[TheJusticar]

~Dylvish

Well I decided to waste my afternoon away and tried both (thank Turbine for vet status). I decided to go rogue as well. Monk would've been nice, but those points in WIS were killing the build. So my build right now looks 2rogue/2Pal (max UMD/Intimi/Search/Disable)

Went with elf instead of human (as I originally planed). Starting Stats:
STR 16
DEX 15 (with +2 tome will get gTWF)
CON 12
INT 11 (with +2 tome I'll get CE)
WIS 10
CHA 14 (good aura, saves and divine might)

I plan to go to 2rog/6Pal (with HoD at first, then KoC)
Then all the rest of the way fighter.

Godspeed.

[Dylvish]

Posting an elf build below. Mainly just for something I can reference as i level up (decided to give that a try for the extra saves, since I was able to shave out one more feat).

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elf templar 
Level 20 Lawful Good Elf Male
(12 Fighter \ 6 Paladin \ 2 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 314
Spell Points: 45 
BAB: 19\19\24\29\29
Fortitude: 21
Reflex: 21
Will: 12

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             16                 24                   26
Dexterity            16                 19                   22
Constitution         12                 14                   14
Intelligence         12                 14                   14
Wisdom                8                 10                   10
Charisma             14                 16                   18

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Intelligence used at level 3
+3 Tome of Strength used at level 20
+3 Tome of Dexterity used at level 20
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 20
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 20
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 20
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 20

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                    12
Bluff                 2                     6
Concentration         1                     8
Diplomacy             2                     4
Disable Device        5                     7
Haggle                6                     9
Heal                 -1                     3
Hide                  3                     6
Intimidate            6                    28
Jump                  7                    13
Listen                0                     3
Move Silently         3                     6
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                1                     2
Search                5                     9
Spot                  3                     7
Swim                  3                     9
Tumble                6                     9
Use Magic Device      6                    22

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Elven Keen Senses
Feat: (Automatic) Enchantment Save Bonus
Feat: (Automatic) Heroic Durability
Feat: (Automatic) Immunity to Sleep
Feat: (Automatic) Light Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Longbow
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Longsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Rapier
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortsword
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency: Shortbow
Feat: (Automatic) Simple Weapon Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak
Feat: (Automatic) Sneak Attack
Feat: (Automatic) Trapfinding
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I


Level 2 (Rogue)
Feat: (Automatic) Defensive Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Evasion
Enhancement: Elven Enchantment Resistance I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I


Level 3 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Feat: (Automatic) Aura of Good
Feat: (Automatic) Heavy Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Martial Weapon Proficiency (ALL)
Feat: (Automatic) Medium Armor Proficiency
Feat: (Automatic) Shield Proficiency (General)
Feat: (Automatic) Smite Evil
Feat: (Automatic) Sunder
Feat: (Automatic) Trip
Enhancement: Paladin Focus of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil I


Level 4 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Automatic) Divine Grace
Feat: (Automatic) Lay on Hands
Enhancement: Follower of the Sovereign Host
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma I


Level 5 (Paladin)
Feat: (Automatic) Aura of Courage
Feat: (Automatic) Divine Health
Feat: (Automatic) Fear Immunity
Enhancement: Paladin Courage of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Bulwark of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Resistance of Good I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Lay on Hands I


Level 6 (Paladin)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Feat: (Automatic) Turn Undead
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Paladin Extra Smite Evil II


Level 7 (Paladin)
Enhancement: Paladin Divine Sacrifice I
Enhancement: Paladin Energy of the Templar I


Level 8 (Paladin)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Automatic) Remove Disease
Enhancement: Unyielding Sovereignty
Enhancement: Paladin Exalted Smite I
Enhancement: Paladin Knight of the Chalice I


Level 9 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Selected) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Automatic) Tower Shield Proficiency
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Haste Boost I
Enhancement: Fighter Armored Agility I
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I


Level 10 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy I
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I


Level 11 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery I
Enhancement: Paladin Charisma II


Level 12 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Selected) Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Attack Boost II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy II


Level 13 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II


Level 14 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Combat Expertise
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei I


Level 15 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Strength II


Level 16 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Dodge
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness II


Level 17 (Fighter)
Enhancement: Fighter Strategy (Trip) I
Enhancement: Fighter Khopesh Specialization I


Level 18 (Fighter)
Feat: (Selected) Power Attack
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Stunning Blow
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery I


Level 19 (Fighter)


Level 20 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Weapon Specialization: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Elven Enchantment Resistance II
Enhancement: Kensei Khopesh Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Armor Mastery II
Enhancement: Fighter Critical Accuracy III
Enhancement: Fighter Kensei II
Enhancement: Fighter Intimidate I