Remove Glancing Blows

[toughguyjoe]

I just wanted to interject again to ask the OP the illustrious Show_Me_The_Platinum a simple question.

Set up for question. Please take this information into account.

Recently on a vacationback to my old stomping grounds in Maine we played some PNP. I rolled up a WF, being absolutely in love with the race. I was a melee based character. We fought some devils, worked our way through teh high end "content" that our DM had worked up. Then we saw him hovering there, among his minions. A Pit Fiend.

We entered battle and were happy to find out our DM was benevolent and had removed the Pit Fiends Blasphemy ability and replaced it with more uses of his damaging effects. Very nice of our DM to not just auto win. Two hours later we have cleared the junk creatures and are finally buffed with enough flight spells to take on the pit fiend himself.

We are a group of level seventeen characters. We defeated the Pit Fiend in four rounds after we were finally based to him and gave him little place to retreat to. I estimate he had between 300-350 HP. Looking in the book, this is a fair sight MORE than he would normally have.

Looking again the HP for a Pit Fiend is listed as 18d8 +144 (225).

My question is as follows:

Where is your Thread demanding the NERF of Attaetrikos HP?

You want his game to be more like PNP but you simply choose to complain about something that effects YOU. It is ok for turbine to pump up one thing, but not another, simply because a raid party can handle one and YOU SOLO cannot handle another?

Give me a break.

Devs leave grazing hits alone, and work on the **** ladder bug. its still there, lurking in the shadows trying to kill permadeath players

[Show_me_the_Platinum]

In PnP there were also never creatures/players with ACs in the 50+ range. I believe we've burned out the "was never meant to be" line of argument long, long ago (as in, say, three years ago).

Honestly until this thread, not ever having a high level character, I was wondering how the game was going to deal with the spread I was already starting to see between attack values and AC. The fact that attacks are based on a random roll of 5% increments means that the spread had the potential to become very significant at the higher end of the spectrum. To me, glazing blows seems like a completely reasonable and working solution.

And it reminds me of donuts.

I don't see how you can't
Base +10 10
+5 Mithral Full Plate +16 26
+5 Mithral Tower Shield +9 35
Ring of protection +5 +5 40
Amulet of Natural Armor +5 +5 45
Combat Expertise +5 50
Dusty Rose Ion Stone (insight) +1 51
+5 Defending weapon +5 56

Bonuses that are still not covered
Luck
Competence
Dodge

[toughguyjoe]

I don't see how you can't
Base +10 10
+5 Mithral Full Plate +16 26
+5 Mithral Tower Shield +9 35
Ring of protection +5 +5 40
Amulet of Natural Armor +5 +5 45
Combat Expertise +5 50
Dusty Rose Ion Stone (insight) +1 51
+5 Defending weapon +5 56

Bonuses that are still not covered
Luck
Competence
Dodge

you covered an amor class of 56. All the while you also took a massive minus to hit. -10 if i remember right. (accounting for most characters having a bonus to hit on thier magic weapons, instead of the +0 you trade for your defending weapon.)

Lets say

Recitation - +2
Haste- +1
Dodge feat - +1


As far as i can recall, and i think i recall fairly far.....there are no other easy AC bonuses you can get. so on a shortish term basis you get an AC of 60 on your character.

Problem is, this system is vastly different from pen and paper dungeons and dragons. the windwo dressing is all the same, and where possible, it was left as intact as possible.

HOWEVER. In COMBAT situations it is VASTLY different.

I suggest you repeat this to yourself several times. Take a deep breath. Then delete all your toons and cancel your account.

you obviously dislike DDO. So why play and post on the forums?

To give Mhykke something to laugh and facepalm about?

[Show_me_the_Platinum]

I just wanted to interject again to ask the OP the illustrious Show_Me_The_Platinum a simple question.

Set up for question. Please take this information into account.

Recently on a vacationback to my old stomping grounds in Maine we played some PNP. I rolled up a WF, being absolutely in love with the race. I was a melee based character. We fought some devils, worked our way through teh high end "content" that our DM had worked up. Then we saw him hovering there, among his minions. A Pit Fiend.

We entered battle and were happy to find out our DM was benevolent and had removed the Pit Fiends Blasphemy ability and replaced it with more uses of his damaging effects. Very nice of our DM to not just auto win. Two hours later we have cleared the junk creatures and are finally buffed with enough flight spells to take on the pit fiend himself.

We are a group of level seventeen characters. We defeated the Pit Fiend in four rounds after we were finally based to him and gave him little place to retreat to. I estimate he had between 300-350 HP. Looking in the book, this is a fair sight MORE than he would normally have.

Looking again the HP for a Pit Fiend is listed as 18d8 +144 (225).

My question is as follows:

Where is your Thread demanding the NERF of Attaetrikos HP?

You want his game to be more like PNP but you simply choose to complain about something that effects YOU. It is ok for turbine to pump up one thing, but not another, simply because a raid party can handle one and YOU SOLO cannot handle another?

Give me a break.

Devs leave grazing hits alone, and work on the **** ladder bug. its still there, lurking in the shadows trying to kill permadeath players

Because the petition to reduce the HP of creatures in the games has already been out for a while, but the Devs play to much wow I guess

There are a lot of things I would like to see fixed before they "Fix" problems from complaints of people with gimped toons leaving the game

Turning - Face it the only thing people use turns per day is for things that ARE NOT turning
Inflated HP - 1,000 HP and more is just getting ridiculous
Spell Resistance - If someone can't bypass it AT level with a 18, it's broken (that's 15% of the time they get through btw)
Saves - They aren't TO high on mobs, but they are pretty high when sometimes the only time you get them is 5% of the time (btw that's rolling a 1 on the save for them)
Range Combat attacks - There is a problem where sometimes you attack and nothing happens. Standing still toe to toe there is no attack roll for like 2-3 attacks

[toughguyjoe]

Because the petition to reduce the HP of creatures in the games has already been out for a while, but the Devs play to much wow I guess

There are a lot of things I would like to see fixed before they "Fix" problems from complaints of people with gimped toons leaving the game

Turning - Face it the only thing people use turns per day is for things that ARE NOT turning
Inflated HP - 1,000 HP and more is just getting ridiculous
Spell Resistance - If someone can't bypass it AT level with a 18, it's broken (that's 15% of the time they get through btw)
Saves - They aren't TO high on mobs, but they are pretty high when sometimes the only time you get them is 5% of the time (btw that's rolling a 1 on the save for them)
Range Combat attacks - There is a problem where sometimes you attack and nothing happens. Standing still toe to toe there is no attack roll for like 2-3 attacks

Haha. Yes the devs play too much wow. Luckily for them you pay for at least one of their multiple wow accounts they're running.

[Show_me_the_Platinum]

you covered an amor class of 56. All the while you also took a massive minus to hit. -10 if i remember right. (accounting for most characters having a bonus to hit on thier magic weapons, instead of the +0 you trade for your defending weapon.)

Lets say

Recitation - +2
Haste- +1
Dodge feat - +1


As far as i can recall, and i think i recall fairly far.....there are no other easy AC bonuses you can get. so on a shortish term basis you get an AC of 60 on your character.

Problem is, this system is vastly different from pen and paper dungeons and dragons. the windwo dressing is all the same, and where possible, it was left as intact as possible.

HOWEVER. In COMBAT situations it is VASTLY different.

I suggest you repeat this to yourself several times. Take a deep breath. Then delete all your toons and cancel your account.

you obviously dislike DDO. So why play and post on the forums?

To give Mhykke something to laugh and facepalm about?

Because it is far to often that I see people posting things on the forums, and compiling about on exit surveys that are changing the game I love to something else. It still has the shell of becoming great, if people stopped complaining about the stupid things and start giving valid suggestion. AC has been really an ALL OR NOTHING thing. If you don't go all out it really has little bearing on never being hit. Mobs will hit most of the players most of the time. So what if they miss SOME of the players a lot, it's called specialization. Taking that away makes them gimped.
To go from being hit 5% of the time to 10% or 15% or 25% of the time is a big deal

[toughguyjoe]

So what if they miss SOME of the players a lot, it's called specialization. Taking that away makes them gimped.
To go from being hit 5% of the time to 10% or 15% or 25% of the time is a big deal

These are priceless little things you've got going here.

You say they HIT you 10-15-25 percent of the time? Really? They do full damage? Then i suggesty ou bug report that grazing hits are doing full damage on your characters as this is unintended.

I hihgly doubt thats whats going on, and you are nit picking abot 1d4 to possibly 1d12 damage.

In a group, these mater mean VERY LITTLE.

In Solo, sure they mean you have to PLAY SMARTER.

Stop whining about your toons being Gimped.

[Show_me_the_Platinum]

These are priceless little things you've got going here.

You say they HIT you 10-15-25 percent of the time? Really? They do full damage? Then i suggesty ou bug report that grazing hits are doing full damage on your characters as this is unintended.

I hihgly doubt thats whats going on, and you are nit picking abot 1d4 to possibly 1d12 damage.

In a group, these mater mean VERY LITTLE.

In Solo, sure they mean you have to PLAY SMARTER.

Stop whining about your toons being Gimped.

So you admit they gimped toons by putting in Grazing hits. So I guess it's as long as YOUR toons are not being gimped you don't care. That's pretty selfish if you ask me

AC has NEVER been a problem for me. I've NEVER had a problem hitting things at or 4 levels above me. If you have problems hitting things AT level that you need glazing hits, then your toon is gimped

[dredre9987]

glazing hits huh. sure wish you would actually type what your talking about instead of the bs you keep piling up in all your posts. got to ask though *** does an enemy doing a grazing hit have to do with you not being able to hit something? lol

[HeavenlyCloud]

I just want to say: Thank you for this thread.

[eonfreon]

Then change the name from Dungeons and Dragons online to something else. If you're going to call it dungeons and dragons then at least keep the mechanics similar. There are so many things that are dragging DDO from PnP that it's a completely different game now

You right!!! They should change the name. Dungeons and Dragons Online doesn't have the right zing to it.

How about Dungeon and Dragons Online: Eberron Unlimited?
That's something of a name change, right?

[toughguyjoe]

I just want to say: Thank you for this thread.

No problem. Don't worry i'll keep him going as long as I can.

[toughguyjoe]

So you admit they gimped toons by putting in Grazing hits. So I guess it's as long as YOUR toons are not being gimped you don't care. That's pretty selfish if you ask me

Actually....

I admitted that YOUR toons are gimped. If 1d4-1d12 damage hurtsd you that much, like i said, delete, shut down, play frogger.

I have two toons with decent AC. I won't say their AC is UBER because its not near what a true AC build can get, but it gets in the lower seventies with the right buffs.

I still run high end quests Solo with those toons. Grazing hits don't slow me down in the least.

If they are that bad for you, there is something wrong.

The problem lies either with YOUR BUILDS, YOUR PLAYSTYLE, OR LASTLY, YOU!!!!!11ONE!!1!(capslock: cruise control for cool!)

Combination of all three?

Likely.

[Junts]

Actually....

I admitted that YOUR toons are gimped. If 1d4-1d12 damage hurtsd you that much, like i said, delete, shut down, play frogger.

I have two toons with decent AC. I won't say their AC is UBER because its not near what a true AC build can get, but it gets in the lower seventies with the right buffs.

I still run high end quests Solo with those toons. Grazing hits don't slow me down in the least.

If they are that bad for you, there is something wrong.

The problem lies either with YOUR BUILDS, YOUR PLAYSTYLE, OR LASTLY, YOU!!!!!11ONE!!1!(capslock: cruise control for cool!)

Combination of all three?

Likely.

You internet tough guy you.

[toughguyjoe]

You internet tough guy you.

*digital Flex*

Anyone got a gif of an 8-bit nintendo character flexing?

[HeavenlyCloud]

No problem. Don't worry i'll keep him going as long as I can.

+1 Rep Good sir.

[Show_me_the_Platinum]

glazing hits huh. sure wish you would actually type what your talking about instead of the bs you keep piling up in all your posts. got to ask though *** does an enemy doing a grazing hit have to do with you not being able to hit something? lol

Read the thread before posting something like this. I never said anything about not being unable to hit anything. I said 'If people (meaning others not me) are having such a hard time hitting things then they have gimped toons."

Actually....

I admitted that YOUR toons are gimped. If 1d4-1d12 damage hurtsd you that much, like i said, delete, shut down, play frogger.

I have two toons with decent AC. I won't say their AC is UBER because its not near what a true AC build can get, but it gets in the lower seventies with the right buffs.

I still run high end quests Solo with those toons. Grazing hits don't slow me down in the least.

If they are that bad for you, there is something wrong.

The problem lies either with YOUR BUILDS, YOUR PLAYSTYLE, OR LASTLY, YOU!!!!!11ONE!!1!(capslock: cruise control for cool!)

Combination of all three?

Likely.

Actually I have little problems at higher levels, my playstyle has been fine for years and in fact has impressed a lot of the people I play with, and me? I don't have a problem with the way the game was when I first started playing, and I'm complaining about additions to the game that are pointless

[toughguyjoe]

and I'm complaining about additions to the game that are Making me cry because i take damage and i used to be so EWBER now i'm not!!!!!

Fixed that for you.

[Show_me_the_Platinum]

Put words in my mouth all you like. That doesn't change the subject from the fact grazing (glancing glazing what ever) hits are not needed FOR ANY reason.

The only recurring theme I've heard is that it was put in place because AC has become to powerful, and the fact of the matter is monsters have inflated attack bonuses so it is a mute point. AC was never broken to begin with and did not merit a "Fix"

Also I have 1 AC build out of 12 characters. I haven't played that in months (that was before this "fix" came out btw)

[Pwesiela]

The only recurring theme I've heard is that it was put in place because AC has become to powerful, and the fact of the matter is monsters have inflated attack bonuses so it is a mute point. AC was never broken to begin with and did not merit a "Fix"

The point is, with this feature in game, they no longer have to artificially inflate a monsters to hit bonus. It's a way to prevent/slow the escalation in game.




What about escalation?

Escalation?
We start carrying +5s, they inflate their hp. We start splashing monk, they get inherit bonuses.

And?

And you're wearing a mask and jumping off rooftops.