Turbine run pug raids

**lugoman** · 10-22-2009, 10:51 PM

Doesnt seem to be many public raids happening on Cannith. The only one I see when I am online is Tempest Spine. I havent had any problems getting flagged for Demon Queen or Reaver's Fate, but havent been able to actually do either raids.

I understand people who have done them 50 times not wanting to walk noobs through, but not being able to do the raids will stop me from getting more adventure packs. Why buy an ap if you will rarely run the raid? Easy solution is for Turbine to run some public raids and make them very noob friendly. Get some interns and strap them to a chair and make them lead raids!

**Uska** · 10-22-2009, 11:29 PM

Not a good idea, how about you try to start leading some? I would join in but havent been playing on Cannith lately to much to do lately I should take a look my paladin wouldnt take long to get flagged.

**lugoman** · 10-23-2009, 03:07 AM

Originally Posted by Uska

Not a good idea, how about you try to start leading some? I would join in but havent been playing on Cannith lately to much to do lately I should take a look my paladin wouldnt take long to get flagged.

Because I am a new player and have never run one before. I would have no idea what I am doing.

**Uska** · 10-23-2009, 03:19 AM

Originally Posted by lugoman

Because I am a new player and have never run one before. I would have no idea what I am doing.

Well I will try to help ya but have two online tests this weekend and a term paper to write but will work on getting flagged for reaver first then the dq only done the dq a couple of times but the reaver raid is really easy most the raid group would be just trying to stay alive(not really required) and I can do the puzzle about 95% just using my head.

**deadmanet** · 10-23-2009, 03:28 AM

Originally Posted by lugoman

Because I am a new player and have never run one before. I would have no idea what I am doing.

None of us did when the raids first came out. We had to learn them ourselves. The best way to learn it, is by doing it.

*note*
Not trying to sound like one of the "elite vets" here, as I am far from it. I am about as casual as you can get and still manage to see the majority of the content in 3+ yrs. Take it from someone who allowed themselves to be lead thru the raids, try it. Been here since headstart over 3 yrs ago, and I would be uncomfortable leading a couple of the raids.

Maybe if I can get one of my characters on Cannith up there, I'll join ya and help with as much info as I know. What's your characters name? I'll look out for ya on Cannith. Not sure as to which character I would get up there, would have to purchase WF to play one of them(went from vip to premium, thats how casual I am)

**Uska** · 10-23-2009, 03:31 AM

Originally Posted by deadmanet

None of us did when the raids first came out. We had to learn them ourselves. The best way to learn it, is by doing it.

*note*
Not trying to sound like one of the "elite vets" here, as I am far from it. I am about as casual as you can get and still manage to see the majority of the content in 3+ yrs. Take it from someone who allowed themselves to be lead thru the raids, try it. Been here since headstart over 3 yrs ago, and I would be uncomfortable leading a couple of the raids.

Maybe if I can get one of my characters on Cannith up there, I'll join ya and help with as much info as I know. What's your characters name? I'll look out for ya on Cannith. Not sure as to which character I would get up there, would have to purchase WF to play one of them(went from vip to premium, thats how casual I am)

Only 8th on cannith myself, and I am a warforged.

Your guild name always reminds me of my guild in SWG close in name we were Death from above a bountyhunter guild

**Aranticus** · 10-23-2009, 03:50 AM

Originally Posted by lugoman

Because I am a new player and have never run one before. I would have no idea what I am doing.

have people forgot the thrill of exploration?

**Gleipner** · 10-23-2009, 04:07 AM

Originally Posted by Aranticus

have people forgot the thrill of exploration?

Yes people are by nature lazy

and affraid of making themslef look like fools

Trail and error only way to learn and muh more fun then having someone to hold your hand... i mean do you have your mother next to you when you play?

**sirgog** · 10-23-2009, 04:37 AM

If you are flagged, try to find (via the forums) a group of other flagged people willing to dedicate 3-4 hours to working the raids out, you will have an absolute blast.

The Demon Queen is the only raid you could conceivably beat first try with all first timers (until the Shroud I suppose). The others all require tricks that will take *a lot* of figuring out.

**lugoman** · 10-23-2009, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by Aranticus

have people forgot the thrill of exploration?

No, I havent. It is good fun to do quests that you havent done before. I havent had any problems finding full noob 6 man teams to do quest. The problem is finding enough people to do noob friendly raids. People want minimal effort to get in and get their loot and get out.

I am sure there are a lot more people willing to go trial and error when a raid first comes out. You have a whole server of people willing to tough it out to get loot. Once that initial wave is done it gets harder to find the people to do a raid, much less people willing to help out the noobs.

I really dont see the downside of having someone at Turbine run some noob friendly raids. I am not asking that they spawn the loot directly into our inventories or make things easier than normal.

**Junts** · 10-23-2009, 04:51 PM

If Turbine pays me a salary, I'll do this.

**Arianrhod** · 10-23-2009, 04:58 PM

I could go with some kind of promo weekend thing - message on login that a particular pack is on sale, suggesting a time and place for potential raiders to gather (Friday, 8 Eastern for flagging, Saturday at 8 for the raid!), then leave the rest of the organizing up to the players. Sometimes all it takes is to get a bunch of people in the same place at the same time, and they'll do the rest themselves

**amethystdragon** · 10-23-2009, 05:06 PM

I think the theroy behind this sugetsion is a good one. However I do not see a way for it to actualy be put in place.

Some sugestions that I have for you.
1. Try putting up an LFM for the raid that you are wanting to run, and put in comments that it is your first time and would like a guide.
2. If you are realy having that hard of a time finding groups, you might want to take a look at other servers and see what type of LFM's are up there. Just keep in mind things change all the time on each server.

I honestly think that if the vets want the new player base to improve and help the game improve, then we need to give them a hand when they are putting forth an effort and are still needing help.

**Impaqt** · 10-23-2009, 05:11 PM

lol.. Too funny....

New Server! No Spoilers! No Twink! Casual Players rejoice!

(FF 5 Weeks)

How come no one wants to do the content for me?

**cardmj1** · 10-23-2009, 05:25 PM

My advice is to put up together your own party and put in the lfm, "first timer, bring your sense of humor". You may or may not get a vet to show you the ropes, but you will definitely get a group who will be like minded and willing to try.

More advice: when trying a raid you are completely new to, make sure everyone goes in with the knowledge of exploration. Do not use any consummables (ie wands, scrolls, potions) on the first few attempts. This will keep the costs down and have people check their combat logs for damage done, damage taken, enemies encountered, and the environment (skulls swirling in the air, passageways blocked by a shield, traps, jumping areas.) Make it a team effort. You will find that everyone involved becomes more and more dedicated to solving the raid, the ones that don't were probably not helpful to begin with and replace them as they leave. You also don't need a full raid group for these exploring runs, just like minded people.

**deadmanet** · 10-23-2009, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by Junts

If Turbine pays me a salary, I'll do this.

Lol...that would make me go start grinding them myself to learn every bit of the raid so I could lead them easily. I'd even do it for TP!

Seriously though, it's been said multiple times(by the non-trolls) best way to learn it, is to do it. Can get frustrating, but in the long run, it will be worth it(IMO)

**SquelchHU** · 10-23-2009, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by Impaqt

lol.. Too funny....

New Server! No Spoilers! No Twink! Casual Players rejoice!

(FF 5 Weeks)

How come no one wants to do the content for me?

No spoilers? I thought a bunch of bored vets rerolled on Cannith? They might not have their gear, but they still have their knowledge.

**Gadget2775** · 10-23-2009, 06:13 PM

Don't want to sound like to total &*&^$@ (use your imagination...make it colorful

), but yours are probably the groups I avoid. The ones that sit there forever with a "Need Guide" statement in them just irritate the bug *&$&% (more off color wording) outa me.

I have no problem joining a group that doesn't know what they're doing. I have no problems helping players learn a quest. I have a HUGE problem with players who're unwilling to try without someone holding their hand.

**lugoman** · 10-23-2009, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by Gadget2775

Don't want to sound like to total &*&^$@ (use your imagination...make it colorful

), but yours are probably the groups I avoid. The ones that sit there forever with a "Need Guide" statement in them just irritate the bug *&$&% (more off color wording) outa me.

I have no problem joining a group that doesn't know what they're doing. I have no problems helping players learn a quest. I have a HUGE problem with players who're unwilling to try without someone holding their hand.

I totally understand this statement. If I had run raids on 5 alts and can do it with my eyes closed then I too wouldnt want any noobs messing up my runs. That is why it should be up to Turbine to ensure their customers are having a good time, not other players.

**lugoman** · 10-23-2009, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by Impaqt

lol.. Too funny....

New Server! No Spoilers! No Twink! Casual Players rejoice!

(FF 5 Weeks)

How come no one wants to do the content for me?

Where did you get I want someone to do the content for me? I dont want easy mode. My original point is the raid isnt being run as a pug AT ALL when I am on. Maybe you are right and I have just leveled past the majority of players on Cannith and just need to wait for them to catch up.

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