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    Default MUST READ: Solutions to Grave Problems

    The problems:
    After thoughtful consideration, I have reached a grim conclusion: DDO is too fun and harms my enjoyment of other games.

    Whenever I try a new game, I can't help but compare it to other games and it always pales in comparison to DDO. As a result, even when I feel like something different from DDO, I still end up not having fun because I am craving DDO. Would DDO be less fun, I could go back to enjoy the mediocre games I once enjoyed playing. I firmly believe that I am not the only one affected by this grave problem. I think that most, if not all, DDO players suffer from this problem.

    For this reason, I think that Turbine should take this problem very, very seriously.

    Additionally, a peer reviewed study has been recently published demonstrates that, if DDO gets any more fun, a breach in the the space continuum and Do0o0Ooo0ooMmm us all. That is, if the amount of fun present in DDO does not anger Cthulhu therefore leading to our destruction!

    It is simply too dangerous for a game to be this fun!

    This is serious business here. We are not only talking of only my well-being, or the well-being of the entirety of DDO player. No, we are talking about the well-being of all the inhabitants of the universe, as well as the well-being of inhabitants elsewhere in the Multitiverse. Turbine has to realize the gravity of the problem. This is clearly not an overreaction of a forum poster or someone posting something silly to be funny. No, the danger is here. It's REAL, and it could lead to consequences far greater than anything a gaming studio has faced thus far.

    Turbine, you have been warned! You have to act now!

    The solutions:
    The first problem could be solved by making every other game more fun but that would only increase the odds of the second problem from becoming a reality. Besides, we all know that other game developers are a bunch of slackers who likes to do other things rather than develop fun games.

    So, we have to make DDO less fun! Quick.

    I have pondered on the problem for several days and I believe I have found enough changes that could lead to make DDO less fun in a satisfactory manner. Now, keep in mind that this is by no means an exhaustive list and that I am sure several additions could be made but I am confident in saying that this consists of a fairly solid start.

    Turbine should focus on making DDO less fun by following these suggestions:
    • Keep up the good work on S&B combat
    • Keep up the great work on ranged combat
    • Make finding a group as difficult as it is in your competitors' games
    • Disable multiclassing with the exception of triclassed cleric/bard/sorcerer characters
    • Remove all quests but Tomb of the Tormented
      • If one quest is too little, consider keeping Coalescence Chamber but change it so that it's far easier to fall off
    • Really add /death count and /death completions
    • Disable Rendered Mode in Tempest Spine
    • Remove Grease
    • Remove the sound effects on Implosion
    • Give all female characters fat butts
    • Add immunities to everything to all mobs
    • Add more air elementals - everywhere, pronto
    • Fix the Supreme Cleave and sorcerer capstone exploits
    • Keep up the good work on Cheat Death
    • Remove all references to broccoli or tasty ham - nutritiousness and tastiness have too high levels of entertainment
    • Ban Memnir and block his IP
    • Hire me
    • Return to Patch 1 attack rates (or even slower)
    • Don't ever add the pirate raid you planned to add in Update 2

    As I said above, this is not a complete list. If you have suggestions, go ahead.

    The more of us post in this thread, the more Turbine will realize how important this is. Even /sign posts are a great, helpful contribution to this cause.

    Final words:
    This is very important. I cannot stress how important this problem is.

    It is crucial for Turbine to listen to ME and remedy to the problem as quickly as possible, before it is too late. Thousands of DDO player are suffering because of their great job at making a fun game! Shame on you, Turbine. If you don't change your course of action right now, you might be the ones who will destroy this universe (and possibly others in the Multiverse). This is no laughing matter.

    Please, Turbine, act now!
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    /signed, a million times, /signed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borror0 View Post
    The problems:[*]Add immunities to everything to all mobs [/LIST]
    Pretty sure they are getting close to that on Epic diff

    other than that...

    Favor grinding borror?
    you are Honored already...

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    Quote Originally Posted by KKDragonLord View Post
    Favor grinding borror?
    Nah, just in a silly mood today.
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    /not signed!

    They need to listen to ME, not you! Me! Me, who is not you. Me.
    Besides - how can I advocate a ban of my IP no matter how much sense that might make? It would improve things immeasurably, true... but still...
    Silly Borror...


    In other news:



    Curses! Foiled again.
    Exit, pursued by a bear. ~ William Shakespeare (stage direction from The Winter's Tale)

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    Well, if our choices are less fun or death I choose less fun…
    • Keep up the good work on bringing the Whirling Steel Strike feat to DDO!
    • Make all chat instances from the Korthos Island and Harbor chat channels available in party and guild chat in ALL instances.
    • Never, ever, EVER consider doing another quest scaling like you have in Devil Assault! Rescuing Arlos from Paragon Kobolds is as risking as crossing the streams!
    Things worthy of Standing Stone going EXTREME PREJUDICE™ on.:
    • Epic and Legendary Mysterious ring upgrades, please.
    • Change the stack size of filigree in the shared bank to 50. The 5 stack makes the shared bank worthless for storing filigree in a human usable manner.
    • Fixing why I don't connect to the chat server for 5 minutes when I log into a game world.
    • Fixing the wonky Lightning Sphere and Tactical Det firing by converting them to use alchemist spell arcing.
    • Redoing the drop rates of tomes in generic and raid loot tables.

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    Apropos to nothing, or perhaps to everything...


    That phrase, "You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to XXX again," always makes me think of this...






    brb: I think I need to go make a sandwich - heavy on the Rep.
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    I don't know, but this just really sounded like an analogy about overpowered builds/classes and how raising the other builds/classes would just mess things up, all thinly disguised as humor. But then halfway through he lost steam and went into sarcasm instead.

    But of course since Borro0 posted it, I'm actually worried that the devs will change something based on it and we'll have another ****storm on our hands.

    Heres hoping I'm wrong...

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    Quote Originally Posted by redoubt View Post
    I don't know, but this just really sounded like an analogy about overpowered builds/classes and how raising the other builds/classes would just mess things up
    It's nothing that clever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Borror0 View Post


    Turbine should focus on ...these suggestions:
    • Make finding a group as difficult as it is in your competitors' games
    • Remove Grease
    • Remove the sound effects on Implosion
    • Give all female characters fat butts
    • Add immunities to everything to all mobs
    • Add more air elementals - everywhere, pronto

    1) Finding a group is already so hard none of the new people can figure it out, just look in general chat.
    2) They already broke it by making it so you can't heighten it.
    3) They did...grrrr
    4) Elves are the only ones that aren't cowish fat as it is.
    5) Again they did unless you count swords...
    6) More air eles? You remember what happened last time you gave them an idea?
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    *pokes the patch with a stick* get out there you,
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    We were pretty up front that the twf update was going to be a nerf regardless of lag or not.
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    Um, I'm almost afraid to ask, but exactly just what is 'sneak humping'?

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    The game definately needs more arcane oozes! Lots of em! In fact every quest should have them!

    Just think of epic arcane oozes in the new desert content!

    ...maybe mix them with a few of those explosive bats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borror0 View Post
    The problems:
    After thoughtful consideration, I have reached a grim conclusion: DDO is too fun and harms my enjoyment of other games.

    Whenever I try a new game, I can't help but compare it to other games and it always pales in comparison to DDO. As a result, even when I feel like something different from DDO, I still end up not having fun because I am craving DDO. Would DDO be less fun, I could go back to enjoy the mediocre games I once enjoyed playing. I firmly believe that I am not the only one affected by this grave problem. I think that most, if not all, DDO players suffer from this problem.

    For this reason, I think that Turbine should take this problem very, very seriously.

    Additionally, a peer reviewed study has been recently published demonstrates that, if DDO gets any more fun, a breach in the the space continuum and Do0o0Ooo0ooMmm us all. That is, if the amount of fun present in DDO does not anger Cthulhu therefore leading to our destruction!

    It is simply too dangerous for a game to be this fun!

    This is serious business here. We are not only talking of only my well-being, or the well-being of the entirety of DDO player. No, we are talking about the well-being of all the inhabitants of the universe, as well as the well-being of inhabitants elsewhere in the Multitiverse. Turbine has to realize the gravity of the problem. This is clearly not an overreaction of a forum poster or someone posting something silly to be funny. No, the danger is here. It's REAL, and it could lead to consequences far greater than anything a gaming studio has faced thus far.

    Turbine, you have been warned! You have to act now!

    The solutions:
    The first problem could be solved by making every other game more fun but that would only increase the odds of the second problem from becoming a reality. Besides, we all know that other game developers are a bunch of slackers who likes to do other things rather than develop fun games.

    So, we have to make DDO less fun! Quick.

    I have pondered on the problem for several days and I believe I have found enough changes that could lead to make DDO less fun in a satisfactory manner. Now, keep in mind that this is by no means an exhaustive list and that I am sure several additions could be made but I am confident in saying that this consists of a fairly solid start.

    Turbine should focus on making DDO less fun by following these suggestions:
    • Keep up the good work on S&B combat
    • Keep up the great work on ranged combat
    • Make finding a group as difficult as it is in your competitors' games
    • Disable multiclassing with the exception of triclassed cleric/bard/sorcerer characters
    • Remove all quests but Tomb of the Tormented
      • If one quest is too little, consider keeping Coalescence Chamber but change it so that it's far easier to fall off
    • Really add /death count and /death completions
    • Disable Rendered Mode in Tempest Spine
    • Remove Grease
    • Remove the sound effects on Implosion
    • Give all female characters fat butts
    • Add immunities to everything to all mobs
    • Add more air elementals - everywhere, pronto
    • Fix the Supreme Cleave and sorcerer capstone exploits
    • Keep up the good work on Cheat Death
    • Remove all references to broccoli or tasty ham - nutritiousness and tastiness have too high levels of entertainment
    • Ban Memnir and block his IP
    • Hire me
    • Return to Patch 1 attack rates (or even slower)
    • Don't ever add the pirate raid you planned to add in Update 2

    As I said above, this is not a complete list. If you have suggestions, go ahead.

    The more of us post in this thread, the more Turbine will realize how important this is. Even /sign posts are a great, helpful contribution to this cause.

    Final words:
    This is very important. I cannot stress how important this problem is.

    It is crucial for Turbine to listen to ME and remedy to the problem as quickly as possible, before it is too late. Thousands of DDO player are suffering because of their great job at making a fun game! Shame on you, Turbine. If you don't change your course of action right now, you might be the ones who will destroy this universe (and possibly others in the Multiverse). This is no laughing matter.

    Please, Turbine, act now!
    +Virtual Rep. Great Post, had a lot of fun reading it. Would give real rep, but I have to spread some more...

    And

    /signed

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    Default More fun

    Instead of looting a +5 Flaming burst longsword of pure good, we should have to search hundreds of chests and run quests multiple times to loot a handle, blade, +5 sharpening stone, fire oil, vulcan rock, and paladin chest hair, to craft a +5 Flaming burst longsword of pure good. Make sure it has a secret negative effect too.
    There's a 70% chance I was drunk, 20% hungover, 90% drinking, when I posted this. I think that's 185% alcohol is involved. You do the math, my grammar is immaculate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sambvca View Post
    Instead of looting a +5 Flaming burst longsword of pure good, we should have to search hundreds of chests and run quests multiple times to loot a handle, blade, +5 sharpening stone, fire oil, vulcan rock, and paladin chest hair, to craft a +5 Flaming burst longsword of pure good. Make sure it has a secret negative effect too.
    I suggest a high chance of failure as well.
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    CTHULHU IS NOT PLEASED. CTHULHU DOES NOT SEE THE FOLLOWING:

    * ADDING THE MINDFLAYERS AS A PLAYABLE RACE
    * CTHULHU DEMANDS PLAYABLE KOBOLDS!!!
    * IMPLEMENTING THE HOLY AVENGER QUEST FOR PALADINS; Subsequently, the Paladin would then become a Vassal of Bahamut
    * Rogue - > Ninja
    * GIVING WIZARDS THE OPPORTUNITY TO BECOME LICHES
    * Sorcerer spell book quest (BUT STILL MAKING THEM IN MANY WAYS, INFERIOR TO LICHES)
    * MONK ascends to "Grand Master"
    * Bard discovers his/her forgotten royal linage...
    * Fighter -> Warlord, Guardian or Battlerager
    * Barbarian -> Rageblood Berserker
    * Cleric -> War Priest
    * Favored Soul ... Glrughgle. Giveth them more wings.

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    Bah Grease is only a fun spell when you are high level! I spam it like mad on lower levels and laugh like a mad man!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Memnir View Post


    *sigh* Ditto.

    Still working on that 20,000 or did you get it? LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borror0 View Post
    Hire me
    You know B that I think you are great & all, but don't you think that above should be good enough to prevent any further Fun in the game?
    Last edited by JakLee7; 10-20-2009 at 01:24 PM.
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