Monk Reroll(32pt build)

[AMDarkwolf]

Posting this because I would like to know how I can improve it. Also, just HOW important is having 'master' in any of the stances but air(IE: Will the finisher be better with higher tierd attacks? - Or longer lasting? I see no effect with my 28 pt build monk now between the effect / duration of my fire/water/wind finishers between now and when I first got each stance)

Obviously this build is not considering gear, just raw char data.

So monkletmasters, give me some build advice. (Dropping int/cha by 2 each to raise str by 2? is the loss of skill points worth the ability to take master of flames?)

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Level 20 Lawful Neutral Halfling Male
(20 Monk) 
Hit Points: 240
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 16
Reflex: 20
Will: 20

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             12                    14
Dexterity            16                    21
Constitution         14                    16
Intelligence         10                    12
Wisdom               16                    25
Charisma             10                    12

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                    26
Bluff                 0                     5
Concentration         6                    36
Diplomacy             0                     1
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                0                     1
Heal                  3                     7
Hide                  3                     7
Intimidate            0                     1
Jump                  5                    25
Listen                3                    13
Move Silently         3                     7
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                     1
Search                0                     1
Spot                  7                    29
Swim                  1                     2
Tumble                n/a                  22
Use Magic Device      n/a                   n/a

Level 1 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Disciple of Breezes
Enhancement: Disciple of Pebbles
Enhancement: Disciple of Candles
Enhancement: Disciple of Puddles


Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Weapon Finesse
Enhancement: Way of the Faithful Hound I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I


Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Philosophy - Path of Harmonious Balance
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Fist
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity I
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning I
Enhancement: Halfling Guile I
Enhancement: Fists of Light


Level 4 (Monk)


Level 5 (Monk)


Level 6 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Diehard
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack
Enhancement: Lifting the Veil
Enhancement: Way of the Faithful Hound II
Enhancement: Unbalancing Strike
Enhancement: Adept of Rain
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II


Level 7 (Monk)
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning II
Enhancement: Adept of Wind


Level 8 (Monk)
Enhancement: Halfling Guile II


Level 9 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity II


Level 10 (Monk)
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning III


Level 11 (Monk)
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom III


Level 12 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
Enhancement: Halfling Guile III
Enhancement: Master of Thunder


Level 13 (Monk)
Enhancement: Way of the Faithful Hound III


Level 14 (Monk)
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning IV


Level 15 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Halfling Guile IV


Level 16 (Monk)
Enhancement: Way of the Faithful Hound IV


Level 17 (Monk)
Enhancement: Eagle Claw Attack
Enhancement: Adept of Rock
Enhancement: Adept of Flame


Level 18 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Lightning Reflexes
Enhancement: Grandmaster of Storms


Level 19 (Monk)
Enhancement: Master of Stone


Level 20 (Monk)
Enhancement: Monk Serenity
Enhancement: Master of Sea

[hdogan]

I think Thougness is better choice than Diehard. So you can also get some HP with enhancements. It would be good to get some healing amplification enhancements too. If you don't plan to give skill points to UMD, CHA is a useless stat.

[Cedwin]

No there are no differences in the finishers depending on the tier you get. I would say air and mountain stances are the most important to get to tier 4, since lightning works on most mobs in the game, and mountain gives straight up additional damage per attack.

In the update, tier 4 damage will be 2d20, whereas tier 3 will be 2d10.

That being said, I'm going with a balanced build that will get tier 4 in each stance, since each stance can be useful, depending on the situation, and I like to stance dance.

Having 16 in all 4 stats; str, dex, con and wis, you can easily get your dex up to 30 from a 16 base.

Halfling/Elf:
Str: 16 +2 tome + 6 item = 24 Str
Dex: 16 +2 tome + 6 item + 2 enhancement + 4 wind stance = 30 Dex
Con: 16 +2 tome + 6 item -2 wind stance = 22 Con
Wis: 16 +3 tome + 6 item + 3 monk enhancement + 2 Ring = 30 Wis

Edit: here's the human build, pretty much the same except for a +3 dex tome needed instead of +3 wisdom.

Human:
Str: 16 +2 tome +6 item = 24 Str
Dex: 16 +3 tome +6 item +1 human enhancement +4 wind stance = 30 Dex
Con: 16 +2 tome +6 item -2 wind = 22 Con
Wis: 16 +2 tome +6 item +1 human enhancement +3 monk enhancement +2 ring = 30 Wis

[AMDarkwolf]

So I need to trim it down some to get 16 con (18 after the tome)...

can do but having 8 int is a pain in the arse(3 skill points per lv SUCKS) with base 10, by lv 7 im getting 5 per lv(which is enough to keep concentrate maxed and the other 'important' skills high enough to manage)

Is this a better build?

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Level 20 Lawful Neutral Halfling Male
(20 Monk) 
Hit Points: 260
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 17
Reflex: 20
Will: 20

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
Abilities        Base Stats          Modified Stats
(32 Point)       (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength             12                    14
Dexterity            16                    21
Constitution         16                    18
Intelligence          8                    10
Wisdom               16                    25
Charisma              8                    10

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+2 Tome of Strength used at level 7
+2 Tome of Dexterity used at level 7
+2 Tome of Constitution used at level 7
+2 Tome of Intelligence used at level 7
+2 Tome of Wisdom used at level 7
+2 Tome of Charisma used at level 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               6                    19
Bluff                -1                     4
Concentration         7                    37
Diplomacy            -1                     0
Disable Device       n/a                    n/a
Haggle               -1                     0
Heal                  3                     7
Hide                  3                     7
Intimidate           -1                     0
Jump                  3                    23
Listen                3                    13
Move Silently         3                     7
Open Lock             n/a                   n/a
Perform              n/a                    n/a
Repair               -1                     0
Search               -1                     0
Spot                  6                    19
Swim                  1                     2
Tumble                n/a                  19
Use Magic Device     n/a                    n/a

Level 1 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Dodge
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Disciple of Breezes
Enhancement: Disciple of Pebbles
Enhancement: Disciple of Candles
Enhancement: Disciple of Puddles


Level 2 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Weapon Finesse
Enhancement: Way of the Faithful Hound I
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom I


Level 3 (Monk)
Feat: (Monk Path) Philosophy - Path of Harmonious Balance
Feat: (Selected) Stunning Fist
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity I
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning I
Enhancement: Halfling Guile I
Enhancement: Fists of Light


Level 4 (Monk)


Level 5 (Monk)


Level 6 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Diehard
Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack
Enhancement: Lifting the Veil
Enhancement: Way of the Faithful Hound II
Enhancement: Unbalancing Strike
Enhancement: Adept of Rain
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom II


Level 7 (Monk)
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning II
Enhancement: Adept of Wind


Level 8 (Monk)
Enhancement: Halfling Guile II


Level 9 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Halfling Dexterity II


Level 10 (Monk)
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning III


Level 11 (Monk)
Enhancement: Monk Wisdom III


Level 12 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons
Enhancement: Halfling Guile III
Enhancement: Master of Thunder


Level 13 (Monk)
Enhancement: Way of the Faithful Hound III


Level 14 (Monk)
Enhancement: Halfling Cunning IV


Level 15 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Halfling Guile IV


Level 16 (Monk)
Enhancement: Way of the Faithful Hound IV


Level 17 (Monk)
Enhancement: Adept of Rock
Enhancement: Master of Stone


Level 18 (Monk)
Feat: (Selected) Lightning Reflexes
Enhancement: Grandmaster of Storms


Level 19 (Monk)
Enhancement: Grandmaster of Mountains


Level 20 (Monk)
Enhancement: Monk Serenity

[Cedwin]

So I need to trim it down some to get 16 con (18 after the tome)...

can do but having 8 int is a pain in the arse(3 skill points per lv SUCKS) with base 10, by lv 7 im getting 5 per lv(which is enough to keep concentrate maxed and the other 'important' skills high enough to manage)

Is this a better build?

Well you don't necessarily need to start with 16 in each of those, you do get stat points at 4,8,12,16 and 20. You can't pick up the 4th tier of any stance until level 18, and you only need a 16 for tier 3.

[AMDarkwolf]

Well I was sorta focused on getting 32/32 endgame dex/wis(with +6 items and wind stance)

is it even possible if i spend pts as I level into con instead of wis?

[Cedwin]

Well I was sorta focused on getting 32/32 endgame dex/wis(with +6 items and wind stance)

is it even possible if i spend pts as I level into con instead of wis?

If you want 32/32

Dex: 18 base +2 tome +6 item +2 enhancement +4 wind stance
Wis: 19 base +2 tome +6 item +3 enhancement +2 raid ring

So you need 18/19 before tomes, unless you get ahold of some +3 tomes.

Starting with 16 in dex and wis, with +2 tomes, you'll need to put all of your remaining stat points from levels into dex and wis. 4, 8, 12, 16, 20, to get to 18 dex/19 wis (before tomes)

So as long as you start with 16 wis and 16 dex, you can put con and str at whatever you want.