Rogue Dislike

[KillEveryone]

As long as you understand that a Rogue is more than just a Trap Monkey.

Rogues by there very basic abilities are designed to KILL... They are DDOs little Piranha... they chew the baduns up and leave them in bloody little pieces.

They are masters of the ancient skill "Stick Sharp Pointy Things into Soft Squishy Things that Scream and Bleed"

as long as they understand how to accomplish this then all is well in the world ... if not then their secondary (or tertiary depending on who you ask) function would be to remove other obstacles from the groups path (ie traps)

Aesop

I assume that everyting in the game can kill. Thanks for clarifying that. I didn't want to be offensive to the players in the game.

I saw another thread about how hard it can be to get a group with a rogue. Personally, I wouldn't consider a group complete without one if the rogue(and everyone else) allows them to use all their skills.

[Vordax]

Nah

Why not? Seems to make sense to me.

Vordax

[bobbryan2]

Why not? Seems to make sense to me.

It would probably be more annoying and cause the ability to be used less than it should have been.

[BLAKROC]

Who here is also a pure rogue, that dislikes when people do stuff like be a level 9 fighter and a level 1 rogue and your like a level 11 pure rogue, and for some **** reason they have better disable and skills then you

don't be hatin on peeps that build a better mousetrap.............................

[Neverpraying]

don't be hatin on peeps that build a better mousetrap.............................

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[Vordax]

It would probably be more annoying and cause the ability to be used less than it should have been.

Ignored the spot skill?

Vordax

[Aesop]

Ignored the spot skill?

Vordax

there would be very little (to no) point to Search if Spot did the same thing only with a slightly higher DC... Especially since Spot does other things as well

Aesop

[osuracnaes]

I don't understand that. I have asked for a rogue to get their skills in my group. I don't know anything about their other skills yet.

Did you mean newb?

Others want a cleric so they can get their healing spells. Most just want you to do only that. Does that make them noobs too? I have LFM for a rogue for their skills. Is this a bad thing to do? Is this insulting to them? I'm not trying to do that in game if those are the cases.

I am just curious about that statement.

I wouldn't be insulted if someone invited my trap monkey to a group just to disarm traps, open locks, etc.

Just don't be surprised when I top the kill count. :P (Provided we're not fighting undead ).

[ghettoGenius]

Whoever has the highest skills should be doing it.

I pretty much agree with this statement.

Does it boil my blood when a splash goes about disabling in a group with my pure rogue? No not really. A nice/unknowledgable person might just leave the trap duty to a pure rogue thinking thats all their good for. My assassin knows better of course. I enjoy doing the traps but if a splash wants to take a crack at it Im all for that unless its a mission critical trap then Ill generally speak up.

However, if youre a splash and you try the trap ... be sure you can do it or I will have to teabag you if you go down

Jumping the elite trap and bring the mobs back through it is much better than wasting time waiting for the rogue to disarm.

This is about the worst piece of advice you can give new players and will certainly get someone killed tonight.

[Vordax]

there would be very little (to no) point to Search if Spot did the same thing only with a slightly higher DC... Especially since Spot does other things as well

Aesop

If you re-read my comment, I said both spot and search skill. This would make it so that a character willing to invest in rogue skills would get a perk. Not just those characters that invested in only search (like splash builds).

Vordax

[Wyrmnax]

as long as they understand how to accomplish this then all is well in the world ... if not then their secondary (or tertiary depending on who you ask) function would be to remove other obstacles from the groups path (ie traps)

Bah... i though you meant removing idiots, not traps... could have found yet another use for the Rogue.

[Strakeln]

It's all about the twink. Make a rogue when you get rich and you'll see the difference.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

+1 Rapier for 1-6 +7 damage (Drow enhancement +4 from Str..dex build)
So an average of 10 or 11 on a non crit....we'll say 10.

9D6+9 SA damage. Lets say 5 dice roll threes and 4 roll fours.
So an average of 31 +9 =40 pts for SA damage.

Oh, and I just got those Tharnes goggles so add +8

Hmmm...we got 10+40+8 for an average of 58 pts of damage on a noncrit SA.
Add 1 pt of Con from my W/P rapier.
Add 2 Pts of Str damage from Crippling Strike.

And thats a conservative average estimate.

Oh, and I crit on a 15-20....so 1/4 of the time.
And I'm an Asassin, and my off hand weps a seeker +6.

Oh yeah! I have an off hand wep! that is almost as good!

I say let them disable all the traps they want.












btw, the key to getting constant SAs is switching targets rapidly, and hitting diplomacy when you get agro.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

I wouldn't be insulted if someone invited my trap monkey to a group just to disarm traps, open locks, etc.

Just don't be surprised when I top the kill count. :P (Provided we're not fighting undead ).

They make Disruptors for that.

And the devs did a great job of making almost every undead heavy quest loaded with traps.

But yeah, it's real disappointing to go from super to wimpy.

Undead are a Rogue's Kryptonite.

[cdemeritt]

For my first rogue, I used to get annoyed by the lvl 1 rogue lvl 8 wizzie running around and doing the traps... now the only time I get bothered by it is if they repeatedly blow-up the boxes. It is just less for me to have to deal with, and I put my sneak attack to better use, outkilling the barb (which usually annoyes the Barb)

[Bbrik]

Or have a high enough search skill that it spawns secret doors and traps like detect secret doors does...

That would let them lower search DCs because having higher than the minimum would have an effect.

That's what the spot skill is. If it's high enough then it will find a
door,trap,hidden enemy so that's why that doesn't work