Barbarian Dwarf full-dps

[mediocresurgeon]

Back on topic.

If you want an example of an effective way to spend your enhancements, check this link. The ones listed here are for a WF barbarian, but it should be close enough to give you a general idea.

You should probably ditch Desert Lore and the higher tiers of Extend Rage and Extra Rage. They look good on paper, but really that is much more Rage than you will ever need. With the FB set and only the first tier of Extra Rage, that's already 8 rages at endgame--which translates to ~25 minutes of Rage between shrines, with minimal investment into Extend Rage.

[Philam]

well, not everyone can afford a VIP account or buying WF race... I'd like comments about the build not about the class.

You want a comment! *** you need haggle for? Get intimidate!

Ph

[mediocresurgeon]

Get intimidate!

Kind of a waste IMO. Let your weapon do your intimidating. You lose DPS when you hit the intimidate button every 6 seconds.

The only skills a barb really needs are Jump (enough ranks to hit +40 when unbuffed, unraged) and Balance (maximum possible ranks, minus 0.5). The third skill doesn't really matter (some people like Tumble), but Haggle and Intimidate are not the ones I would pick.

[Philam]

Kind of a waste IMO. Let your weapon do your intimidating. You lose DPS when you hit the intimidate button every 6 seconds.

The only skills a barb really needs are Jump (enough ranks to hit +40 when unbuffed, unraged) and Balance (maximum possible ranks, minus 0.5). The third skill doesn't really matter (some people like Tumble), but Haggle and Intimidate are not the ones I would pick.

I wouldn't say its a waste, but it sure is alot better then haggle. You will never be a high AC intimitank but it helps to pull trash away from casters or clerics! What good is a 40 jump? Jump has a max limit. You can put 1 skill point in tumble thats all you need. I agree balance is important. Imtim also helps so you arent chasing down the foe.

[mediocresurgeon]

hat good is a 40 jump? Jump has a max limit.

...and that "max limit" is 40, which is why your Jump should be +40.

[Tanka]

...and that "max limit" is 40, which is why your Jump should be +40.

Any Sor/Wiz or Rgr can cast a +30 Jump buff. And, really, you don't need a 40 Jump for any quest. It might be handy for one or two, but it's not even close to necessary.

Seconding maxing Balance and UMD (for the odd RR equipment or bypassing the Pure Good DC if you go Neutral) and putting 1pt into Tumble, and the rest into Intimidate.

[Philam]

...and that "max limit" is 40, which is why your Jump should be +40.

Just because I'm curious. Tell me where and what quest a barbarian needs a 40 jump? Caster gets spell and jumps around aggro through fire walls. Clerics even though their jump skill is lowsy jumps and runs through their BB. But a barbarian-don't see it. I'm just discussing for the sake of discussing. Not trying to start a huge debate. The OP had haggle on a barbarian and asked input on the build. My input is to have jump, balance and intimidate as the 3 skills. Just my opinion.

Ph

[mediocresurgeon]

Just because I'm curious. Tell me where and what quest a barbarian needs a 40 jump?

Aggro management, and dodging AoEs, and safe spots. I'm not going to openly go into specifics here, but PM me if you really want to know.

My input is to have jump, balance and intimidate as the 3 skills. Just my opinion.

I think I agree with Tanka--Balance and UMD*, with a point or two in Tumble is certainly a good plan. However, barbarians have more skill points than they really know what to do with--instead of asking for a Jump every time you shrine, or become debuffed, just keep your total Jump at +40. That way you always have it when you need it.

*11 ranks, +4 GH, +2 Luck, +5 gloves, +/-2 cha means that you will probably have this high enough to equip some RR items, but probably not enough to self-heal. So don't stress yourself out about "how my UMD sucks." It will, and there's nothing you can do about it.

[Tanka]

However, barbarians have more skill points than they really know what to do with

Says who?

4 (base) -1 (8 Int) = 3, and if you waste a +2 Int tome on a Barbarian, you're just being ridiculous.

So 12 at 1st level, 3 from 2-7, and 3-4 from 8 on up.

Balance and UMD (IMO) get preferential treatment, with Intimidate coming in a very close second (after 1 full rank is put into Tumble, of course).

Jump is useless in any party with a caster.

[Inspire]

And once again, *laughs at the 8 SA damaged on the screenshot*.

Not that Im taking sides here but, you're wrong. Actually its not Sneak Attack damage, as the combat log would say;

(Combat): You sneak attack Nythirios for X damage.

Also, on what item is he getting +8 sneak attack damage from? Hes wearing Mentau's goggles and he has no symbol for the Ninja Spy set on his buff bar.

[Absolute-Omniscience]

Not that Im taking sides here but, you're wrong. Actually its not Sneak Attack damage, as the combat log would say;

(Combat): You sneak attack Nythirios for X damage.

Also, on what item is he getting +8 sneak attack damage from? Hes wearing Mentau's goggles and he has no symbol for the Ninja Spy set on his buff bar.

If you check the combat log you'll also see that those attacks are new / old, as neither match up to the hits located on the screen. If you combine all the numbers located, what can that "8" possibly be besides sneak attack?

[Shade]

If you check the combat log you'll also see that those attacks are new / old, as neither match up to the hits located on the screen. If you combine all the numbers located, what can that "8" possibly be besides sneak attack?

I don't wear any sneak attack items. I'll spell the damage out for you if you really must know.

595 - x6 critial, includes 24 damage from mentau google
4 - good burst, non crit portion
0 - acid
11 - good burst crit portion
3 - slicing
0 - acid blast
8 - vicious
10 - greater vicious
36 - glancing blow - 8 vicious -13 greater vicious
Attack 1 total: 668 damage
Attack 2:
100 - base, non crit
2 good burst, non crit
2 slicing
8 vicious
16 greater vicuos
Total = 114 non crit (includes no glancing blow as its attack #2 in the cycle, only add 1, 3 and 4 include glancing blows)

[Absolute-Omniscience]

I don't wear any sneak attack items. I'll spell the damage out for you if you really must know.

595 - x6 critial, includes 24 damage from mentau google
4 - good burst, non crit portion
0 - acid
11 - good burst crit portion
3 - slicing
0 - acid blast
8 - vicious
10 - greater vicious
36 - glancing blow - 8 vicious -13 greater vicious
Attack 1 total: 668 damage
Attack 2:
100 - base, non crit
2 good burst, non crit
2 slicing
8 vicious
16 greater vicuos
Total = 114 non crit (includes no glancing blow as its attack #2 in the cycle, only add 1, 3 and 4 include glancing blows)

Ah yeh, thought the Gvicious and Vicious stacked in the same number, though obviously it does. The odds of procing 3 8's in a row is like 1 in 5000 so I assumed it was SA which always lands on 8.

So, you didn't proc SA on those hits, but you do have some "shield" set, which is what, stalwart for +15% hate? Or maybe DoS for 15% hate.

Either way, Dwarven THF FB is FAR from max dps.

[Inspire]

If you check the combat log you'll also see that those attacks are new / old, as neither match up to the hits located on the screen. If you combine all the numbers located, what can that "8" possibly be besides sneak attack?

The only explanation is Vicious, because he is not wearing a Sneak Attack item. Which IMO is a mistake aswell, because you seem to have a free cloak slot which can be used for Wretched Twilight which is an additonal +6 damage per SA.

[Shade]

The only explanation is Vicious, because he is not wearing a Sneak Attack item. Which IMO is a mistake aswell, because you seem to have a free cloak slot which can be used for Wretched Twilight which is an additonal +6 damage per SA.

heh not really. Like I said, I almost always have the agro, I wouldn't get sneak attacks either way.

In cases where someone is blinding or I wear my radiance guard, I do have a set of tharnes googles on the hotbar there.

If I swapped my cloak out there.. I lose -5 to my saves, not worth it with all the spells that guys tossing around. Also I already have 4 other shroud clouds to select from, which are mostly 35-45 resist and guards.

[Inspire]

heh not really. Like I said, I almost always have the agro, I wouldn't get sneak attacks either way.

In cases where someone is blinding or I wear my radiance guard, I do have a set of tharnes googles on the hotbar there.

If I swapped my cloak out there.. I lose -5 to my saves, not worth it with all the spells that guys tossing around. Also I already have 4 other shroud clouds to select from, which are mostly 35-45 resist and guards.

If you run with an Intimidate build ever, 6 damage per swing adds up. You shouldnt be getting spells thrown at you or need resists, aside from the occasional DBF or CL.

[Tallyn]

Either way, Dwarven THF FB is FAR from max dps.

I think you are exaggerating some. I think it may not be the absolute max, but I don't think it's far from it. If you want to point out how some other build is 100 DPS better or even 50 DPS better, I would like to see substantive proof, please provide us some numbers so we can look at it.

Btw, can you guys quit with the inane bickering? I'm not blaming either side, although both share some fault. While your numbers and theorizing help the Barbarian people here, your arguing make you guys look like a bunch of juvenile posters comparing epeens, and I think is hurting the Barbarian community as a whole.

[Nyhm]

lmao.

You need to wake up to realise your so touted monsters build has isn't so hot anymore.

THF Berserker DPS is unmatched endgame.

http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/464...nshot02368.jpg

WF on the right of me - excellent player, uses your monster build. Same gears as me, dual min2, +3 str tome, FB set, the works. Notice he doesn't have the agro? If im not around, he usually does. If im around, he doesn't. Wheather im on my WF or my Dwarf, doesn't make a difference. There's a reason for that. Sooner you realise that, sooner you can stop trolling these forums with your nonsense.

First thing I thought of was those bars are more jacked up than a crackheads teeth!

[Shade]

First thing I thought of was those bars are more jacked up than a crackheads teeth!

Games fault. I used to line them up nice.. But whenever I alt + enter, the game shifts them around a little.. So i just toss them back in place quickyl and can't be bothered to line them up carefully everytime. Doesn't matter anyways since I mostly play mouselook and don't click much at all except the upper bars which dont have hotkeys.