Is Ghallanda raiding dead?

[Sirea]

von6 is an abysmal failure of a raid fight, one in which there is no strategy needed or really achievable, and where most groups gain success either through taking advantage of a geometric oversight or pure brute force. It is the least interesting and worst-designed boss beatdown in DDO. Even Arraetrikos in shroud 4 requires more thinking, strategy and awareness ... Velah is a huge letdown in every way but graphics.

But I'm sure it was a challenge to figure out when the quest first came out and now to all the new players coming in and trying it who don't have it down pat like we do.

The Twilight Forge Core is a brilliatnly designed 6 man quest; unfortunately, it only has roles for 3 or 4 people tops; bottom pillars, laser, and crystal runners.

Everyone else spends the raid piking, staying alive and avoiding standing on the floor to move the Titan; the raid is a failure as a 12 man instance, because 50-75% of the raid party does nothing but watch.

It would be the best 6 man quest in DDO, if it were one, but as a 12 man instance, its a collosal bore.

On this I agree with you 100%. You definitely don't need 12 people to get Titan done, even after the "black barrier" changes.

[Junts]

But I'm sure it was a challenge to figure out when the quest first came out and now to all the new players coming in and trying it who don't have it down pat like we do.



On this I agree with you 100%. You definitely don't need 12 people to get Titan done, even after the "black barrier" changes.

Im sure it was challenging to figure out von6 without spoilers, but that doesn't mean its a well designed raid; a well designed raid remains entertaining and engaging when repeated the 10th time, a really good one the 100th time (eg, shroud) .. von is boring by the 5th run, because the fight is such a letdown.

[shinmade]

I've gathered long ago that Glass has a bit of a reputation on his server and has a wee bit of a hard time getting into a pug raid with the serious raiders on his server.

GC is a competent player, his POV on the forums is independent of him getting into groups as far as I am concerned.

[zavozod]

For me my beloved server of 3 years died with the bans. So with the birth of a new server. I went to Cannith. Ya it is full of DaDb's and wannabe uber pretend zergers, but arent they all?

[smatt]

I hear it's being fixed in the next update. Whether that's the one currently on Lammania (anyone tried it?) or the one after that I'm not entirely certain. Also whether that means removing the perch or fixing the unresponsiveness I'm not entirely sure either.

I know that's very vague but the fact that something relating to this tactic is being fixed implies exploit.

I think the fix will have to do with the AI on raid bosses which not only invovles ToD, but many of the other raids as well. There are specific things being used BESIDES the perch, and in conjunction with the perch, which are claerly off limits. But by definition and according to what was layed out by Turbine, using the natural terrain to your advantage is NOT an exploit.

[smatt]

Im sure it was challenging to figure out von6 without spoilers, but that doesn't mean its a well designed raid; a well designed raid remains entertaining and engaging when repeated the 10th time, a really good one the 100th time (eg, shroud) .. von is boring by the 5th run, because the fight is such a letdown.

Well yes, now with the cleric spot...... Tell you what go in there with a group of level 10's and get back to me Junts, and with loot that was availble at that time... Oh and no safe spot for the cleric....

I agree things could've been done a lot better in hindsight..... But the game was brand new..... It was a great raid at thta time..... Not so much now...

[Junts]

Well yes, now with the cleric spot...... Tell you what go in there with a group of level 10's and get back to me Junts, and with loot that was availble at that time... Oh and no safe spot for the cleric....

I agree things could've been done a lot better in hindsight..... But the game was brand new..... It was a great raid at thta time..... Not so much now...

Im just saying, I could understand why a player would look at the first 3-4 raids in DDO and see:

hero method heal spam = boring
8-9 party members just stand around and heal = boring
casters and archers are the only people needed = boring
and even arguably that the reaver is boring.

I run these raids with decent regularity and dont htink that way, but I can easily see how some people would find all those raids not particularly interesting.

[smatt]

Im just saying, I could understand why a player would look at the first 3-4 raids in DDO and see:

hero method heal spam = boring
8-9 party members just stand around and heal = boring
casters and archers are the only people needed = boring
and even arguably that the reaver is boring.

I run these raids with decent regularity and dont htink that way, but I can easily see how some people would find all those raids not particularly interesting.

Oh ya, I get it.... But you see the hero method wasn't how Von 6 was runw ay back when, there was no cleric safe spot. Healing was very limtied as was gear, and even HP's for tht matter. It was a chaotic mess at times back then at levels 8-10, and even when cap went to 12. At the time the raid was released and for a good time aftrwards, all the classes had a job in there, either in Von 5 or 6 or both. You're missing the point that at the time allt he great weapons even fro lowies wern't common yet, the skills wern't spread over all the classes like they are now.... Imagine a wand whipping cleric a Von 6 elite at level 10 It's like saying a commodore 64 is a piece of ****.. Ya now it's a relic.. But when it came out it was a pretty cool thing I think it's hard for oyu to imagine, not only be low level but not realising the gear limits of that time.... A level 8-10-12 char. today is far superior to one at that time.

The same goes for the Titan, at the time and for a good amount of time after it came out even post-nerf, it was a challenge to get through the pre-raid, sure the raid was mroe or less 6 person affair but the pre-raid at level with the gear/skills/spells availble at the time was a challenge. Gaming moves forward and improves at an amazing rate. By the time soemthing is released it's already obsolete 3 or 4 times over.


In any event raiding isn't dead on Ghallandra

[Jefro]

I always open my DQs to puggers, but being on 103 counter now on my cleric, I do not run it much more, have pretty much what I want on all my other toons.


If I have 4-5 people who can trust with puzzles, I will open up rest of the abbot to puggers, though I rarely lead an abbot more then once a month myself.

I will join pug shrouds, abbots and reavers. I will only join hounds and vods only if knew some of the people in the raid, despite their bad choices of puggers with no pots.


I will only join a pug ToD if it is forming quick and going immediately since time consuming and may push into time set aside to run with guildies. So far had to bail out before starting, because taking too long to form. Always running late for people raids, because of helping someone else raid out lol
Everyone likes running their raids at the same time as the rest of the population, 8-midnight EST


With reincarnation coming you see less raiding and more people doing leveling. After last night, I do feel like needing a reroll

[smatt]

With reincarnation coming you see less raiding and more people doing leveling. After last night, I do feel like needing a reroll

You and me both Mr Fro........ I hate leveling toons

[Reisz]

What Sirea said, although to back it up, we have had all but two players now return to the game from long absences, so we do not PUG nearly as much as we used to.

Ditto

[Sothary]

Raiding is dead on the server? cmon!

I'll run 14 shrouds in a row, pug many VoD & Hounds

Ask many, I have raids up all the time...

[wamjratl1]

Raiding is dead on the server? cmon!

I'll run 14 shrouds in a row, pug many VoD & Hounds

Ask many, I have raids up all the time...

'tis true.

[smatt]

Raiding is dead on the server? cmon!

I'll run 14 shrouds in a row, pug many VoD & Hounds

Ask many, I have raids up all the time...

Soth, while I salute your constant LFM's for raids... I must reccomend that you see a shrink...... 14 shrouds in a row You sir are insane I can just barely handle 1 in a day anymore....

[MissErres]

Raiding is dead on the server? cmon!

I'll run 14 shrouds in a row, pug many VoD & Hounds

Ask many, I have raids up all the time...

Ya, he just has this nasty habit of announcing them right after I jump into something.

[Destivona]

The Bladesinger Elite Guild raids as often as we can get enough peeps to do it, look us up if you'd like, we schedule for Monday nights at 10pm EST guild raids

[Sirea]

[Comfortably2]

For me my beloved server of 3 years died with the bans. So with the birth of a new server. I went to Cannith. Ya it is full of DaDb's and wannabe uber pretend zergers, but arent they all?

Yeah man, I'm still pretty sore over that. I have trouble getting into other games even now. How ever much I *****ed and moaned about content or lag or whatever nothing makes you realize how good you got it until someone takes it all away. I lost three years of work and fun to that lame ass ****. Lost a lota good friends too.