Is Ghallanda raiding dead?

**oogly54** · 10-16-2009, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by GlassCannon

Sounds like you need to disband the private channels. I knew these would be a bad idea, but kept my trap shut about it...

Segregation.

I can see his point to an extent. The private chat channels DO lesson the mixing of people from different cliques. Some may think that is a good thing, but remeber you do/did not actually know anyone that you run with on a regular basis, you met them in game, by runnig with people you didnt know. If you stop running wih people you do not know, then you stop gain new friends. Eventually everyone leave games, so eventually your friends will leave and you to will leave because you know nobody else and no longer hae fun.

As bad a name pugging gets, it is what lead to getting to know the friends you have now. What he is saying, I believe, is chat channels stifles this, which is bad for new people and ultimately bad for the game.

As for Raiding, many guilds, including Sabbat, has had a huge influx of players come back to the game and the need to pug out the last few spots is not needed now. We have a very healthy raiding schedule, you just do not see the LFMs because there are none.

**oogly54** · 10-16-2009, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by Anthios888

Just because you may not be outgoing enough to make any friends on this game, does not mean that the game itself has to change to keep you from crying.

If I didn't already know you Rock, I would think you were a pompus ass!

**Junts** · 10-16-2009, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by oogly54

If I didn't already know you Rock, I would think you were a pompus ass!

Nah, I'm the pompous jackass around here.

She's just a human being addressing GlassCannon; I understand how it would be possible to blur the line, but keen forum observation will inform you that its quite normal!

**Turial** · 10-16-2009, 10:24 AM

Part of it is due the lack of content. I know many people who have all their greensteel wants covered, made their main and spair DT armors, have their hound, VOD, Queen, Titan, and Dragon items.

This leaves us with TOD and the Abbot.

The abbot has the MD bug which has some people avoiding it like the black plague and TOD is in the early stages where there are few pugs because many aren't flagged or don't have boots. The boots are really the key in keeping people out of that raid.

**oogly54** · 10-16-2009, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by Turial

Part of it is due the lack of content. I know many people who have all their greensteel wants covered, made their main and spair DT armors, have their hound, VOD, Queen, Titan, and Dragon items.

This leaves us with TOD and the Abbot.

The abbot has the MD bug which has some people avoiding it like the black plague and TOD is in the early stages where there are few pugs because many aren't flagged or don't have boots. The boots are really the key in keeping people out of that raid.

All good points.

**smatt** · 10-16-2009, 12:00 PM

Adding to the points that OOg, Turial, Rock, and Jaeer have made... It's also a new Mod this has always happened when new mods come out. People are into flagging, and preparing their toons for the new raid. As well as rolling new toons, with all the game changes etc. Add in the mass forced vacation of many of the prolific raid leaders ect. Thee's more to do in game now than ever, therefore things will be far less focused than before. Surely, some of the older raids will be run more as more of the new crop of players start getting leveled up and experianced, as well as when the big crops of rerolls get start moving forward.

Ebb and flow....

**Mhykke** · 10-16-2009, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by oogly54

I can see his point to an extent. The private chat channels DO lesson the mixing of people from different cliques. Some may think that is a good thing, but remeber you do/did not actually know anyone that you run with on a regular basis, you met them in game, by runnig with people you didnt know. If you stop running wih people you do not know, then you stop gain new friends. Eventually everyone leave games, so eventually your friends will leave and you to will leave because you know nobody else and no longer hae fun.

As bad a name pugging gets, it is what lead to getting to know the friends you have now. What he is saying, I believe, is chat channels stifles this, which is bad for new people and ultimately bad for the game.

As for Raiding, many guilds, including Sabbat, has had a huge influx of players come back to the game and the need to pug out the last few spots is not needed now. We have a very healthy raiding schedule, you just do not see the LFMs because there are none.

Two points:

1. Before there were channels, nothing different was going on compared to after channels were put into game. People would look to form a group, they would check their guilds, they would send tells to friends in other guilds and ask those people to ask their guilds. All channels did was make this process more efficient. Now, people don't have to ask someone they know in another guild to ask his/her guild if anyone wants to do X quest/raid. They simply type it into a channel.

Anyone that thinks that either before channels existed, or upon the removal of channels, that people would simply stop trying to group with people they knew, is only kidding himself.

2. Channels can be a barrier, but they could also be a valuable resource. Just b/c channels exist doesn't mean that those groups never put up LFMs. Just b/c channels exist doesn't mean that people in those channels don't join PUG groups also. All someone has to do is not be a tool, and be somewhat competent, and sooner or later that person will get invited into a channel. Once that happens, that person has access to many different people and guilds. Much more so than simply joining one guild. Channels can be a good thing too.

**Chiapet** · 10-16-2009, 12:10 PM

Hi there. I aman Officer of NewOutriders, and I can tell you that we are getting stronger by the day. We are still very active in recruiting also. As far as raids go, we kind of slacked off for just a little bit, but we are still raiding, and it is getting more consistant. Thing is, when we do raid, we usually have enough guildies to fill every spot, and if not, we have alliance guilds that get private invites first. If no reply from the private invites, then we throw up a LFM and go from there. A problem that I have seen in putting LFM's up is that for raids, they seem slow to fill. I don't know why, but they have been here lately. There are some times that we only have a few guildies on, want to run a raid, and PUG most of the group.

If you are intrested in joining our ranks, give us a look. Go to www.newoutriders.com and pay us a visit.

Have a great weekend & great questing.

**Samadhi** · 10-16-2009, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by GlassCannon

Sounds like you need to disband the private channels. I knew these would be a bad idea, but kept my trap shut about it...

Segregation.

Pfft. I'm a consumate "let's just shortman" vs. getting pug's type of player. Chat channels actually have me meeting/grouping with more people than I otherwise would.

Originally Posted by Turial

The abbot has the MD bug which has some people avoiding it like the black plague and TOD is in the early stages where there are few pugs because many aren't flagged or don't have boots. The boots are really the key in keeping people out of that raid.

I don't know anyone actively avoiding abbot for that reason. I see far more of 1) People that have wussed out on the raid because the puzzles are "not fun" to try and learn after a couple bad experiences 2) folks that just deprioritize getting flagged to the point that it never gets done and 3) people that are always on timer

The boots are definitely a huge factor though for TOD. It is just beyond ******** that these are so absurdly rare to get. Makes me glad I don't play melees as much as many.

**wamjratl1** · 10-16-2009, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by GlassCannon

Sounds like you need to disband the private channels. I knew these would be a bad idea, but kept my trap shut about it...

Segregation.

whatever dude. GRR is having social intercourse nightly.

Also, for many of us, the channels presented an opportunity to expand our network of folks and do cross-guild raiding, etc... When Samadhi left Souls of the Night and formed Sabbat, theirs was the first channel I joined. It doubled the folks i could easily communicate with in-game, let me meet new folks, and expanded my network of players (cuz folks from other guilds would advertise open spots in their groups in the same channel) ... But yeah maybe because of the channels, if a guild has room in a group, those spots now go to allied guilds rather than pugs.

But in short response to Redraider ('sup Paul!), I don't see any fewr lfm's than I used to.