32 point build from store

[PurdueDave]

As far as changes go, it doesn't make me wish I did anything different with my...

...skills (e.g. balance),
...feats (e.g. toughness),
...class selection (e.g. evasion),
...alignment (don't you dare, Turbine),
...and base stats (e.g. divine might).

Therefore, I'm OK with it.

[bobbryan2]

If Turbine has decided to put 32 point builds in the DDO store all I can say is that it is disappointing. This is one of few core items in DDO that most have very strong fellings about. To allow players to just buy their way to a 32 point build is a cave in by Turbine that tells me they really do not have any intention toward designing and maintaining a game that remotely might get the original founders of D&D's approval. Other than in name this game is venturing further and further from the D&D core that most of us play this game for.

There needs to be certain items or goals in the game that can ONLY be achieved by questing and obtaining various rewards (not buying it). Next thing you will see you will be able to just buy a 20th level character in the DDO store because some players might say "Why should I grind to level 20, if I am willing to pay for it make it available".

Its just unfortunate really...

If it's so important to you for there to be a grind for 4 build points... guess what!

They're adding another one.

Go ahead and ask for them to not add 36 pt builds to the store though.

[Osco]

You can buy tomes at the store, or 32pt builds. As long as the relative prices reflact the value, what's the difference? (Note that I haven't seen what they're charging for 32 pt builds yet, so can't answer that question myself.)

VIPs will be able to use their free tubbie points to unlock 32pt builds should they want to. The complaints are the very same that players have in any game when the devs make something easier, like mounts in WoW for example. This isn't some unique situation, and it will happen over and over again, in many different games by many different developers.

[Undeadrat]

I realy don't mind if they allow people to buy a 32 point build but if it is going to be available for purchase all I'm saying is let it unlock accross all servers if someone grinds it out, how unreasonable is that?

[treehugger20]

I played this game back at launch, well reallly end of beta and didnt like it much.. A few years went by and i saw this e-mail in my in box that said... come on and try DDO again, its Free !!

SOo i thought, ehh free?? a bunch of years later? maybe its changed. Well it sure has, and i love it ! I liked it soo much i bought a VIP account and have been playing lots of content and having an absolute ball. I know ill go back to F2P after this month, but ill also probly shell 20 bucks every few months for the next bit to pick up more content, But i dont think ill be buying it all thats for sure. I know i have zero desire to play warforged for example.


But being able to buy things from the turbine store to me is good for me, good for the game, and good for everyone that plays. I know some people have soo many issues with the whole, Well you didnt earn it factor. Honestly Who cares how someone else enjoys their time? Some people dont play 10-20 hours a week, maybe they play 5 hours a month, one weekend with freinds and have some cash. Soo what if they go buy up all their gear, Pay to unlock 32 point builds, Buy a drow and make a party and it costs them 60 bucks to do it. Thats up to them..

What it does is put money in the devs pockets which means more content for everyone... Its a game, and its for people to enjoy... How someone else enjoys it shouldnt make a bit of difference in how you do. The only time someone elses enjoyment effects me is when im on the same party, or in the same area and talking in general or advice, and in that case the only thing you need to do is respect others..

Cause honestly for someone like me who is new.. and not rich.. Soo ill never just be shelling out real money or tons of gold ingame for healing potions or gear like its candy... and that other person in my party that either has 1 million platnum peices and the best gear... or the other person that just shelled out 1k dolllars to buy stuff with turbine points... Surely wont be effecting my game as long as they are nice and respecfull.. and hopefully an RPer, and then ill be in luck !

I do know one thing though when i go back to F2P, Ill be buying a drow and 32 point builds cause i dont have the time, nor desire to grind um out on 6 servers. Cause i surely dont have the money to buy a ton of extra slots on the one i could do it on.. And i will be buying 3 barrel island.. And hopefully my enjoying the game doing that wont bother to many others... and turbine will probly make 50 bucks off me.. and maybe, just maybe that will go to some cool new content.

[Gornn]

[QUOTE=Lord_Legolas;2484609]For many of us whom have been playing for +3 years the 32 point grind was a long and hard one! It just doesn't sit well with me that a new player can come in and buy his 32 point, and buy almost everything else! If your going to let them buy it, they need to reach deaply into their pockets to buy it! 1495 DDO Points doesn't seem enough! I'm talking like 5K if not more!

Just like us they either need to do the long hard grind!!! Or reach deeply into their pockets!!![/QUOTte]

Your hard work was worth it. Since them buying 32 pointers means more content for you in the long run.

Don't be sad, be happy.

Think about it this way...you could have needed 32 point builds on two accounts...

[ahpook]

If Turbine has decided to put 32 point builds in the DDO store all I can say is that it is disappointing. This is one of few core items in DDO that most have very strong fellings about. To allow players to just buy their way to a 32 point build is a cave in by Turbine that tells me they really do not have any intention toward designing and maintaining a game that remotely might get the original founders of D&D's approval. Other than in name this game is venturing further and further from the D&D core that most of us play this game for.

Please explain how a reward that "earned"* by a character that is only usable by rolling up a new character fits in the with any vision that the original founders have. Page numbers in PHB or DMG would be appreciated. I don't recall seeing anything in the DM guide that suggested allowing your vet players to create better characters than your new players. Your invocation of the D&D founders seems bogus to me.

There needs to be certain items or goals in the game that can ONLY be achieved by questing and obtaining various rewards (not buying it). Next thing you will see you will be able to just buy a 20th level character in the DDO store because some players might say "Why should I grind to level 20, if I am willing to pay for it make it available".

Its just unfortunate really...

This is also bogus. You cannot buy 20th level characters. You cannot buy raid gear. Citing things that don't exist as evidence why another thing is bad lacks credibility.

* - I am also very tired of people using the word "earned" in relation to 32 point builds. It is tied to favor which can be gained by having a level 16 character run through a level 3 quest to get favor. There is nothing "earned" in such scenarios. Perhaps if all favor had to be gained in level appropriate quests (ie, no more than 1 level above quest level to gain favor) I could see the "earned" as appropriate. But far too much favor is not earned but merely a grind.

[Warwolf42]

I played this game back at launch, well reallly end of beta and didnt like it much.. A few years went by and i saw this e-mail in my in box that said... come on and try DDO again, its Free !!

SOo i thought, ehh free?? a bunch of years later? maybe its changed. Well it sure has, and i love it ! I liked it soo much i bought a VIP account and have been playing lots of content and having an absolute ball. I know ill go back to F2P after this month, but ill also probly shell 20 bucks every few months for the next bit to pick up more content, But i dont think ill be buying it all thats for sure. I know i have zero desire to play warforged for example.


But being able to buy things from the turbine store to me is good for me, good for the game, and good for everyone that plays. I know some people have soo many issues with the whole, Well you didnt earn it factor. Honestly Who cares how someone else enjoys their time? Some people dont play 10-20 hours a week, maybe they play 5 hours a month, one weekend with freinds and have some cash. Soo what if they go buy up all their gear, Pay to unlock 32 point builds, Buy a drow and make a party and it costs them 60 bucks to do it. Thats up to them..

What it does is put money in the devs pockets which means more content for everyone... Its a game, and its for people to enjoy... How someone else enjoys it shouldnt make a bit of difference in how you do. The only time someone elses enjoyment effects me is when im on the same party, or in the same area and talking in general or advice, and in that case the only thing you need to do is respect others..

Cause honestly for someone like me who is new.. and not rich.. Soo ill never just be shelling out real money or tons of gold ingame for healing potions or gear like its candy... and that other person in my party that either has 1 million platnum peices and the best gear... or the other person that just shelled out 1k dolllars to buy stuff with turbine points... Surely wont be effecting my game as long as they are nice and respecfull.. and hopefully an RPer, and then ill be in luck !

I do know one thing though when i go back to F2P, Ill be buying a drow and 32 point builds cause i dont have the time, nor desire to grind um out on 6 servers. Cause i surely dont have the money to buy a ton of extra slots on the one i could do it on.. And i will be buying 3 barrel island.. And hopefully my enjoying the game doing that wont bother to many others... and turbine will probly make 50 bucks off me.. and maybe, just maybe that will go to some cool new content.

QFT! +1 Rep

[Quanefel]

Please explain how a reward that "earned"* by a character that is only usable by rolling up a new character fits in the with any vision that the original founders have. Page numbers in PHB or DMG would be appreciated. I don't recall seeing anything in the DM guide that suggested allowing your vet players to create better characters than your new players. Your invocation of the D&D founders seems bogus to me.




This is also bogus. You cannot buy 20th level characters. You cannot buy raid gear. Citing things that don't exist as evidence why another thing is bad lacks credibility.

* - I am also very tired of people using the word "earned" in relation to 32 point builds. It is tied to favor which can be gained by having a level 16 character run through a level 3 quest to get favor. There is nothing "earned" in such scenarios. Perhaps if all favor had to be gained in level appropriate quests (ie, no more than 1 level above quest level to gain favor) I could see the "earned" as appropriate. But far too much favor is not earned but merely a grind.

It don't seem you care for the word "earned". I am guessing you prefer the word "entitled"?

[Kerrn_Siff]

I just got back to a place with internet capabilities but really this appears to be a useless discussion.

Those who play a game for the challenge will never agree with those who see no issue with buying their way to end game.

Enjoy your easy button DDO-Lite (Act now though while "Even Easier" is on sale 25% off, this weekend only!).

I'm done with this.

[FluffyCalico]

I just got back to a place with internet capabilities but really this appears to be a useless discussion.

Those who play a game for the challenge will never agree with those who see no issue with buying their way to end game.

Enjoy your easy button DDO-Lite (Act now though while "Even Easier" is on sale 25% off, this weekend only!).

I'm done with this.

Define earned 32 point build...

Is it, I was bored 1 weekend so did favor all weekend even though its boring as hell and now have 32 point builds

Or, I worked 1 hr of overtime this week to earn the money for 32 point builds so I can better enjoy my play time without wasting hrs on something not fun.

And why exaclty does #1 deserve it more in your mind? Not many things in life are given to you just because you are bored with nothing to do. Most you earn them in real life.

[Narmolanya]

The game has officaly jumped the shark.

[eonfreon]

I just got back to a place with internet capabilities but really this appears to be a useless discussion.

Those who play a game for the challenge will never agree with those who see no issue with buying their way to end game.

Enjoy your easy button DDO-Lite (Act now though while "Even Easier" is on sale 25% off, this weekend only!).

I'm done with this.

Why stop now?

If you keep whining and crying enough maybe Turbine will change it.

Edit: Sorry, I shouldn't allow myself to fall into the same dismissive attitude that "anti-32-in-the-store" folks had beforehand.

The discussion is actually why aren't those who already earned it via the 1750 favor on 1 or more servers don't have it opened on all servers since it will be possible to exchange TP points, which are largely bought", to unlock 32 point across all servers.

Personally, I don't care either way. Certainly I would like to be given insta-access to 32 across all servers since I already have it available the old way on 2 servers. But that would only have value to me if I cared to play on more then the two servers that I do play on.

To me the store is certainly not a "Easy" button because I don't use it. I don't waste my time begrudging what others can get.
If the store was "mandatory" to accomplish a task in-game then I would start to have issues with it.

[ahpook]

It don't seem you care for the word "earned". I am guessing you prefer the word "entitled"?

As usual you guess wrong. Since I have explained this to you in the past it should be surprising that you would continue to make this mistake. Alas it is not.

[ghettoGenius]

Im not worried. Noobs need all the help they can get these days, and it if means they pump some cash into the machine to make their weak chars a little better so I dont have to drag their stones through quests Im all for it. Besides, we still get a free +2 tome of our choice for 1750 favor (which is inevitable in a characters lifetime), and the first time a noob who bought 32 points reaches 1750 ... there will be a "****" moment where they will have wished they spent that TP on something else.

[eonfreon]

Im not worried. Noobs need all the help they can get these days, and it if means they pump some cash into the machine to make their weak chars a little better so I dont have to drag their stones through quests Im all for it. Besides, we still get a free +2 tome of our choice for 1750 favor (which is inevitable in a characters lifetime), and the first time a noob who bought 32 points reaches 1750 ... there will be a "****" moment where they will have wished they spent that TP on something else.

Pretty much agree with that.
+1 rep.

[Vordax]

Im not worried. Noobs need all the help they can get these days, and it if means they pump some cash into the machine to make their weak chars a little better so I dont have to drag their stones through quests Im all for it. Besides, we still get a free +2 tome of our choice for 1750 favor (which is inevitable in a characters lifetime), and the first time a noob who bought 32 points reaches 1750 ... there will be a "****" moment where they will have wished they spent that TP on something else.

Until they try a different server and say "****" I am glad I spent that TP so I don't have to grind favor all over again.

Vordax

[TheGreatEye]

I love being able to give neg rep to people that think that all characters created by new players should be penalized because they haven't yet gone through an easy, but VERY dull and boring rite of initiation.

Agreed. It is important to note that this will be an OPTION to purchase in the store, no one will be forced to buy 32 pt. builds. I honestly had hoped that they would remove 28's and just make all builds 32. I guess I dont see the point of 28's and the favor GRIND as Turbine has tried to claim DDO is a non-grind MMO. Oh well, guess it will remain, and I wont lose any sleep over who has 32's and who doesnt.

As a positive, this should be a big seller. The only thing that would torque me off now would be a continuation of their slow development cycle given an admitted increase in their revenues. The success of f2p in generating revenues will evaporate quickly if quality content isnt delivered more quickly.

[crooth]

Realize one thing, the fact that Turbine changed their revenue system from subscription based to micro-transaction after 3+ years suggest that they needed to change it. No successful business takes the risk to drastically change their revenue stream if they don't think their current one won't be sustainable. According to a dev interview on ArsTechnica ( http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2...d-and-more.ars ), the switch to Micro-Transaction is more successful than even Turbine expected. So ask yourself, would you rather the game continues as it was with very minimal development (patches and new content) or that Turbine make more money and thereby can put more resources toward the game.

Bingo! +1 rep for recognizing this and calling it out. DDO was losing in the market and thus they had to change in order to give them a chance to win.

Now, I believe the rep guys should get this and other favor rewards on all servers, not just the one they got it on. Maybe for VIPs only though? I'm still concerned that VIP means very little in this new model.

[ApesAmongUs]

Please explain how a reward that "earned"* by a character that is only usable by rolling up a new character fits in the with any vision that the original founders have. Page numbers in PHB or DMG would be appreciated. I don't recall seeing anything in the DM guide that suggested allowing your vet players to create better characters than your new players. Your invocation of the D&D founders seems bogus to me.

The creators of D&D rolled 3d6 in order and you were lucky if your character didn't die with fewer points than he started with. I'd bet a $20 would get you a better chance at good stats with Gary than whining that you've played a really long time. You want traditional D&D experience, force us to mail cases of beer to the devs in exchange for good stats. And then they can sneak online and kill the characters anyway.