The fist vs. kama discusion

[Philam]

Have a level 7 WF monk. Starting to think ahead to end game items/weapons ect. If I want to take the time to grind out the ingrediants for 2 Min II kamas with exceptional wisdom(+2) and insight(+4).

Would they put out more DPS vs handwraps or are handwraps better on a monk now even though you cannot craft wraps?

Backround: The monk is loosely based of of Aspenor's "Mickie the Boxer" build.
Tactic Monk with WF tactics line for improved trip.

Thank you for your help and I am sure more monk questions to come!

Ph

[Original]

Handwraps for DPS
Kama's for vorpal/wounding
Greensteal if you have the time - but not needed

Not sure about your build thou, but the above is how I roll my monks.

[Juneyo]

What he said ^

because hand wraps' damage lvls up as you get higher lvl. Kama's don't. If you really need vorpal tho a kama would be you best route.

[assamite]

Si si monks should have both in there inventory. Just depends on the situation what you wanna bust out

[WeaselKing]

You are building an Aspenor build?!? Don't you know he is a gimp?

Anyway, I would rather be fisted than kamaed myself.

[LAWPRE]

There seems to be a dinstinct lack of decent magic stuff on handwraps. So, until you can craft your own, Kamas are much more common.

IF you are taking the TWF chain, it does not work with Flurry (and therefore handwraps). So, Kamas are the only way to maximize.

[Kintro]

Would they put out more DPS vs handwraps or are handwraps better on a monk now even though you cannot craft wraps?

Depends on the difficulty and the DR. Things like Shroud Elite the kamas will be better but on normal the right handwraps will be.

Handwraps will be better on anything you can bypass the DR of.

[Kintro]

IF you are taking the TWF chain, it does not work with Flurry (and therefore handwraps).

Yes it does. Handwraps with GTWF attack about 10% faster than GTWF Kamas.

[Halock]

IF you are taking the TWF chain, it does not work with Flurry (and therefore handwraps). So, Kamas are the only way to maximize.

False

[Monkey_Archer]

unarmed at lvl 20 does 2d10 and attacks faster then D6 kamas.... so unarmed is alot more dps... (not to mention you can add additional unarmed effects on TOD rings)
transmuting handwraps will soon be available too for DR breaking..

The only reason to use kamas is for vorpal, wounding, or AC (insight GS kama + icy raiments)

[Revord]

I run a level 6 monk right now, and I use the handwraps more than the kamas. Esp against the undead, with the exception of zombies. The other reason for the kamas are for large mobs that I want to get extra damage on, esp those pesky trolls.

[Sealsniper]

I have the following kamas on my monk:

dual Min 2 (1 with +4 ac) for red named bosses only
Dual vorpal of pure good kamas
Dual W/e Kama's-dont use any longer as W/e wraps fixed and W/e Broked. lol

lvl 20 monk.
22 str 34 dex in Windstance

I use wraps now almost exclusively. I built my offhand ring from Tower of despair with +6 str +1 exceptional con with Holy burst.

So now all my wraps do holy burst on top of 2d10 base attack damage.
+3 holy/holy burst wraps of weighted 5% my main set
+4 holy burst weakening of enfeeble
etc

as mentioned only use kamas for stone skin clickies and red name bosses with DR. Soon (next mod) with transmuting wraps/pure good etc I will probably drop kamas all together.

Hope this helps

Seal

[Memnir]

I use handwraps when I play my Monk because I like the animations - and it feels more like a Monk to use unarmed. If I wanted to duel wield weapons, I'd play my Rogue or my Ranger. Now, this is not to say I won't break out the kamas when appropriate for the situation... but I try to use every excuse not to. (which may be why I don't play my Monk too often)

IF you are taking the TWF chain, it does not work with Flurry (and therefore handwraps).

And as others have said, but I just want to repeat for emphasis... this is just flat out wrong.

[Xeriphim]

the only real reason for kamas is for vorpaling something . Else your better off with handwraps as all the above have stated . With the ToD rings and a good set of handwraps you'll destroy stuff pretty quick .

[soubal]

also wounding, though that's less of an issue now, too. I was charging around the battlefield earlier with my 18 monk with his +3 weakening of enfeebling wraps, and he was kicking tail. Not a huge amount of DPS initially, but you get down to autocrits within a couple of rounds, and then it's just silly. Plus, with crane stance, you always have a full ki bar to spam out the stuns and palms (not that you land a whole lot, but it's worth a try)

[Philam]

I have the following kamas on my monk:

dual Min 2 (1 with +4 ac) for red named bosses only
Dual vorpal of pure good kamas
Dual W/e Kama's-dont use any longer as W/e wraps fixed and W/e Broked. lol

lvl 20 monk.
22 str 34 dex in Windstance

I use wraps now almost exclusively. I built my offhand ring from Tower of despair with +6 str +1 exceptional con with Holy burst.

So now all my wraps do holy burst on top of 2d10 base attack damage.
+3 holy/holy burst wraps of weighted 5% my main set
+4 holy burst weakening of enfeeble
etc

as mentioned only use kamas for stone skin clickies and red name bosses with DR. Soon (next mod) with transmuting wraps/pure good etc I will probably drop kamas all together.

Hope this helps

Seal

Thank you for the knowledge! And thank you to everyone that has replied! Think I will run with handwraps and take my time on crafting kamas(just to have ie clickies, elite runs ect) This is my first attempt at a monk and having a blast. See you all online!

Ph

[LAWPRE]

I can't seem to find it (am I going senile?) but I could have sword that there was at least one thread were the consensus was that flurry does not work with TWF. It could have been a much older thread.

Still, there have been quite a few changes since I was able to play (I was in Iraq. They have Internet but...) and I am still leaning what many of those changes are. Thanks for helping me catch up