battle clerics

[rduggins]

battle clerics the worst thing out there. espeacily ones in group. if a cleric does both they suck at everything. battle clerics always waste the group cause there to busy healing theme self after dying and not done any damage to the monster.like how stupid can these people get

[BangsLiekWhoa]

Sounds like rant, but its actually very true. A lot of people new to the game need to hear this before they make characters that will be useless later.

[Ironforge_Clan]

Hahahahahahaha....oh you're actually serious?!?!?!

First of all the word is ******** not retarted so based upon that I would hope that anyone reading your post would take what you say with a grain of salt. I would also presume that your rant is an backlash because you had a terrible cleric in your group and not because he or she was actually a battle cleric. First and second rules of this game be self sufficient and play smart so you don't have to depend upon someone else to take care of you.

[BangsLiekWhoa]

Hahahahahahaha....oh you're actually serious?!?!?!

First of all the word is ******** not retarted so based upon that I would hope that anyone reading your post would take what you say with a grain of salt. I would also presume that your rant is an backlash because you had a terrible cleric in your group and not because he or she was actually a battle cleric. First and second rules of this game be self sufficient and play smart so you don't have to depend upon someone else to take care of you.

So, you disabled rep b/c you didn't want negative rep? Is that because you don't know how this game works?

Battle cleric is an awesome choice in PnP (I often play one with great success). However, in DDO, it not that great a choice. The problem is that once you get to higher levels you are not good enough at healing or tanking so you are pretty much useless. Sure he may not be able to spell things correctly even with spell check, but he still has a point even if it is a rant.

[Junts]

So, you disabled rep b/c you didn't want negative rep? Is that because you don't know how this game works?

Battle cleric is an awesome choice in PnP (I often play one with great success). However, in DDO, it not that great a choice. The problem is that once you get to higher levels you are not good enough at healing or tanking so you are pretty much useless. Sure he may not be able to spell things correctly even with spell check, but he still has a point even if it is a rant.

You're making Ghallanda look bad, I dont htink Ironforge is the one in danger of negative reputation.

Considering you're playing on a server with some of the best battle cleric builds on DDO, you're oblivious or outright wrongheaded.

[valorik]

threads like this are hilarious

[Narmolanya]

I have played and run with some very awsome battle clerics. It is quite easy to do damage and heal at the same time. However in light of the new FTP situation and the lame battle clerics I have had the horror of grouping with latly I sadly have to agree.

[Xanthain]

battle clerics the most retarted thing out there. espeacily ones in group.

Stopped reading after this

[Gol]

bad battle clerics the most retarted thing out there. espeacily ones in group. if a cleric does both they sometimes suck at everything. bad battle clerics always waste the group cause ...

First of all, I fixed that for you.

Secondly, yes, many battle clerics, especially newer players, don't have the gaming skills required to do both.

Third and lastly, Being a good battle cleric is hard to do at the mouse/keyboard/attention level. Some of the best battle clerics out there can be in the front line killing more mobs than anybody else while keeping the party healed up. Granted, these players are few and far between, but they undoubtedly exist.

Lumping all characters of a given type into the same "you suck" bucket is generally not a wise thing to do, but I understand where you're coming from. Just keep your mind open to the possibility of being wrong.

[Ironforge_Clan]

So, you disabled rep b/c you didn't want negative rep? Is that because you don't know how this game works?

Battle cleric is an awesome choice in PnP (I often play one with great success). However, in DDO, it not that great a choice. The problem is that once you get to higher levels you are not good enough at healing or tanking so you are pretty much useless. Sure he may not be able to spell things correctly even with spell check, but he still has a point even if it is a rant.

The rep is disable because I see no point in a forum reputation. It means very little to me. As far as how the game works, well I feel I've been playing long enough (August 2006) to know how things are. Am I an elite player...nope no interest. Do I figure out every little stat and detail to min/max my characters...nope no interest in that either. Do I grind a quest to death just to get the perfect piece of loot...sorry would rather have fun.

Yes there are battle clerics out there and you quickly learn who they are. The issue is two fold. First some players try to do too much and lose focus on balancing both the melee and the healing. Second and I think this might be the op issue is that some groups grab a cleric thinking he or she is just going to sit back and heal them when they get in over their heads.

I play a battle cleric...dwarf 18c/1f. I sit at just around 360 hp and just under 1850 sp. My gear isn't all set yet so I'll top out over 400 hp and 2000 sp when all is said and done. Can I heal...bet your sweat butt I can. Can I melee...yeah if something comes near me I'm swinging that old dwarven axe. I'm not uber dps build but given time between my axe and spells I'm killing it. Oh and yeah I am an okay enough player to be able to swing that axe and heal my party at the same time.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

Needing a baby sitter to keep you alive is ********.

But any char who cannot adapt to the current needs of the party needs to re-evaluate their actions.

My Rgrs, Pals, Rogs, and Sorcs all heal others when needed.

[Ironforge_Clan]

needing A Baby Sitter To Keep You Alive Is ********.

But Any Char Who Cannot Adapt To The Current Needs Of The Party Needs To Re-evaluate Their Actions.

My Rgrs, Pals, Rogs, And Sorcs All Heal Others When Needed.

Qft!

[Bbrik]

It's not a hard build to play. And really? So what if a cleric uses the classes for something besides healing I have a
pure healer portable shrine build and a pvp cleric my pvp cleric isn't speced for
healing but I out heal people in shrouds so I guess with your state of mind some clerics sucks so...... All clerics are horrible!!!!!!!!! No more cleric nope never ever ever ever. My wizzy rog fights some times when no manna so if I don't hit as hard let's see.... 2rog 18wiz WF one of the games best classes sucks!!!! Open your mind battle clerics are
amazing but I'm from ghallanda you have to suck bad if you die in a party and can't be self sufficient

[BangsLiekWhoa]

First some players try to do too much and lose focus on balancing both the melee and the healing.

This is mainly what I was referring to. It may not be entirely impossible to be a battle cleric, but if you do it you better have a solid plan going in and don't just slap something together without knowing how the game works. I've personally not seen any good ones and maybe I'm just missing out. Sorry for stirring the pot.

[Phidius]

You're making Ghallanda look bad, I dont htink Ironforge is the one in danger of negative reputation.

Considering you're playing on a server with some of the best battle cleric builds on DDO, you're oblivious or outright wrongheaded.

I don't see why you have to be so limiting... he could easily be both!

First of all, I fixed that for you.

Secondly, yes, many battle clerics, especially newer players, don't have the gaming skills required to do both.

Third and lastly, Being a good battle cleric is hard to do at the mouse/keyboard/attention level. Some of the best battle clerics out there can be in the front line killing more mobs than anybody else while keeping the party healed up. Granted, these players are few and far between, but they undoubtedly exist.

Lumping all characters of a given type into the same "you suck" bucket is generally not a wise thing to do, but I understand where you're coming from. Just keep your mind open to the possibility of being wrong.

The problem with keeping an open mind is you risk having everything pour out if you tilt your head. Past experience may have taught some people it's better to keep a closed mind...

Needing a baby sitter to keep you alive is ********.

But any char who cannot adapt to the current needs of the party needs to re-evaluate their actions.

My Rgrs, Pals, Rogs, and Sorcs all heal others when needed.

I'd say embarrasing, not ********.

All of my characters can heal others except for Precious... he's the selfish one who only heals constructs.

[Junts]

He shouldn't let his mind wander, it's too small to go off by itself.

[Phidius]

He shouldn't let his mind wander, it's too small to go off by itself.

What if he has a pocket cleric to baby sit him?

[eowilson]

Clerics are the first people blamed when a team fails. Casters are the second target, but far below clerics.

Neither class is necessary in a good group for the majority of quests, particularly at beginning and intermediate levels, so most complaints about them indicate a problem with the group, usually centered around the person most vocal about the perceived problem.

This leads to less people sticking with cleric and to certain shared personality traits among experienced clerics. I tend to notice the negative traits in particular, but I can concede there is a good shared trait or two as well.

Advice to non-clerics:

* Accept the possibility of failure, learn from your mistakes, and have fun.

Advice to clerics:

* Just let people die if need be.

Advice to conscientious objectors:

* Good players will pull out a weapon in the right situation regardless of their class. Learn to use whatever dps capability your class has and learn to use it in the right situation.

[Junts]

What if he has a pocket cleric to baby sit him?

We'll call him baby-axer and get him a plushy greataxe with a built in fake dps meter that always shows you ahead.

[Elsbet]

Needing a baby sitter to keep you alive is ********.

But any char who cannot adapt to the current needs of the party needs to re-evaluate their actions.

My Rgrs, Pals, Rogs, and Sorcs all heal others when needed.

QFT! (again and +rep by the way)

Any toon that does not in some way heal themselves--be it by spell, wand or potion--gets exactly ZERO heals from my clerics. They are healers, not wet nurses for the incompetent, ignorant or intransigent.

A battle cleric is perfectly good, viable build if done properly and played well. Of course, the same can be said for healing clerics, sorcs, wizzies, rogues, rangers, fighters, barbarians, FvS...

If someone is in a party that can't get through a quest without a cleric nursing them the whole way, they are in a lousy group. I recommend dropping and possibly rerolling.