F2Pers are turning me into a full-fledged ...

[TheJusticar]

Deauchebag.

I'm all for helping out newbs, I don't usually put "no F2p" or "VIP only" in my lfms. I started two lowbies to run Korthos and Harbor specifically with newbies in mind ... heck I gave out a lot lowbie gear to good players, etc. Now, I'm @ lvl 7-8 and I've lost any and all patience. I don't like it. I don't like getting exasperated. I don't like AT ALL dropping groups mid-quest. I've never told anyone to /reroll before (that I actually meant it, anyway). This past week I've felt almost forced to do those things I mentioned above -- several times. From the rogue that can't find traps and when he finds them he blows them up, to the 60 HP, 21 AC 4 Wiz/4Pally that died 7 (7!1!one) times before the first two parts of the quest were done to the lvl7 cleric that didn't know how to memorize spells and didn't know he could select players with the F# keys. It seems you teach to deaf ears. ugh. :/

/vent off

Godspeed.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

The frustrating part to me is the large number that don't want to listen.

[cdbd3rd]

The frustrating part to me is the large number that don't want to listen.

Way too true.

Unfort.

[BangsLiekWhoa]

Its not necessarily F2Pers. This is just how a lot of MMOs are...you have your fair share of noobs and you just try to avoid them if they refuse to take advice on how to get better (which is very common). A lot of your gripes though are just that people don't know how to build a successful character. I think this stems from the fact that most MMOs just give you (for the most part) one straight and narrow path for each character type to use. Sure there are specializations, but nothing like DDO.

D&D is a more complex game than most MMOs and I personally am glad that they left it this way when they brought it out as a MMO. I always have loved PnP and I think this translates very well. However, people who have never played D&D before and don't care to research classes before they make their characters can easily end up with gimp characters right from the beginning.

[cdemeritt]

my pet peeve are the ones who ask for a guide, and then ignore all the suggestions/guidance given. if you were just going to charge in and do what you want, don't ask for a guide.


I've been finding that I've been soloing much more... (does dual boxing count as solo?) park my battle cleric at the door, and run my tempest rogue though the quest... running back for heals and buffs.... things seem to go much smoother this way.

[TheJusticar]

my pet peeve are the ones who ask for a guide, and then ignore all the suggestions/guidance given. if you were just going to charge in and do what you want, don't ask for a guide.

Absolutely. When they say guide, they really mean insurance policy/baby sitter.

I've been finding that I've been soloing much more... (does dual boxing count as solo?) park my battle cleric at the door, and run my tempest rogue though the quest... running back for heals and buffs.... things seem to go much smoother this way.

Actually I've been doing the same with hirelings They suck if they have to come with you, but they work great -- even on leet -- if you place them strategically, set them on STAND YOUR GROUND, go draw aggro fight at a safe distance and it keeps me healed through the hack-n-slash. It was not too hard to hireling duo Freshen The Air on elite though there were several really close calls.

[quintuss]

The problem really is that for every good new player in group you get a least two morons and with all those lvl1-4 toons floating around you could also try to blacklist ants in the forest. Not a very pleasant prospect.

From time to time i still pug low lvl quests and try to help out the good players with advice, plat and gear.
But i have to be in the mood for it and need to be prepared for groups where there's just no well built and properly played toon around.

[MDS_Geist]

my pet peeve are the ones who ask for a guide, and then ignore all the suggestions/guidance given. if you were just going to charge in and do what you want, don't ask for a guide.

I've begun looking at the comedic potential.

Such as in Waterworks elite with a group of level 4's, and the newbie wizard who ran off on his own says "I'm going to nuke this ogre here." This is of course immediately followed by Party: CluelessCaster has died and "can someone please res me? I think I got him down a lot..."

Magic Missile, 10 SP; paying for repairs on your gear, 200 gp; serving as an example for others, priceless.

Or better yet a run in the Pit. "Now watch out for the force traps," I state in advance. "Not a problem, I've taken all of the force enhancements and as a warforged will be healed by them..." (no, I'm not making that one up)

[DagazUlf]

The frustrating part to me is the large number that don't want to listen.

Indeed.

[Zenako]

Well before with normal play, anyone who was playing had at least planned on spending the money to a) buy the game, and b) subscribe for at least a short time. That gives them skin in the game and makes them more likely to WANT to learn the ropes and get a good value for their investment.

With a F2P model, many of those players have 0 (zero) skin in the game and as such have no investment to try and make sure it pans out. They also can afford to be inconsiderate and blow people off. Once the game is no longer fun for them, they move on, with the only cost having been their playtime.

When something is free, most people tend to give it no respec. When someone has sunk some money in (Premium players ie those F2P buying points) they will be more concerned about actually learning the game and not burning every bridge they come to.

That this is happening should be absolutely zero surprise to anyone, many posters predicted that this behavior would become more and more common with the new model once it was announced.

[cdemeritt]

Well before with normal play, anyone who was playing had at least planned on spending the money to a) buy the game, and b) subscribe for at least a short time. That gives them skin in the game and makes them more likely to WANT to learn the ropes and get a good value for their investment.

With a F2P model, many of those players have 0 (zero) skin in the game and as such have no investment to try and make sure it pans out. They also can afford to be inconsiderate and blow people off. Once the game is no longer fun for them, they move on, with the only cost having been their playtime.

When something is free, most people tend to give it no respec. When someone has sunk some money in (Premium players ie those F2P buying points) they will be more concerned about actually learning the game and not burning every bridge they come to.

That this is happening should be absolutely zero surprise to anyone, many posters predicted that this behavior would become more and more common with the new model once it was announced.

You are right... but is still annoying. Now on lowbies, I expect it, but when they make it to Gianthold, you'd think by then they'd have learned something.....

[TheJusticar]

That this is happening should be absolutely zero surprise to anyone, many posters predicted that this behavior would become more and more common with the new model once it was announced.

+1. QFT. Though F2P is obviously here to stay, so I'm still trying to come to terms with it

[KoboldKiller]

Yup, waaaaaay to many a$$hats in game these days. Either in group or in chat. I have been fairly fortunate but you can always tell right up front which one in the group has zero clue.

[Thrudh]

Well before with normal play, anyone who was playing had at least planned on spending the money to a) buy the game, and b) subscribe for at least a short time. That gives them skin in the game and makes them more likely to WANT to learn the ropes and get a good value for their investment.

With a F2P model, many of those players have 0 (zero) skin in the game and as such have no investment to try and make sure it pans out. They also can afford to be inconsiderate and blow people off. Once the game is no longer fun for them, they move on, with the only cost having been their playtime.

When something is free, most people tend to give it no respec. When someone has sunk some money in (Premium players ie those F2P buying points) they will be more concerned about actually learning the game and not burning every bridge they come to.

That this is happening should be absolutely zero surprise to anyone, many posters predicted that this behavior would become more and more common with the new model once it was announced.

I played a text-based MMO back in the early-mid 90s when it cost $3 an HOUR to access the Internet... The really nice thing was that everyone in that game was invested in it... There were no rules against ganking, etc. because none were needed...

(1) it was a small community ~ about 200 people on at the same time max
(2) all were mature adults
(3) being a moron came with immediate consequences...

When we died, we'd drop whatever was in our hands (and the monsters could pick the weapons up and use them against the rest of the party). If someone dies, we'd send rescue parties to raise the body and more importantly, recover the weapons... No one stole from anyone else, because they had "skin in the game" and being ostracized was an effective deterrant.

When AOL went unlimited, we had a huge surge of new players (peak one night was like 2800 players), and of course, there were no more rescue parties... Instead, random PvP occurred and weapons were stolen... The GMs had to make a lot of changes to protect the players from each other.

Quite sad... The answer, of course, is to charge people $3 an hour to play DDO...

[Oreg]

OP, Based on the two posts I have read in the past few minutes, you clearly have had bad experiences with new players. You need to chill and accept that there will be a learning curve - you are taking this way too seriously and being a bit harsh on new players.

[ddoer]

Such as in Waterworks elite with a group of level 4's, and the newbie wizard who ran off on his own says "I'm going to nuke this ogre here." This is of course immediately followed by Party: CluelessCaster has died and "can someone please res me? I think I got him down a lot..."

i'm more annoyed by those semi-experienced players who knows the quest but think they are uber and either rush ahead or start a fight when most of the other people are not ready. at the end, it's the same "Party: SemiVetern has died". instead of asking for rez, they give a lot of reasons of why they die.

[TheJusticar]

i'm more annoyed by those semi-experienced players who knows the quest but think they are uber and either rush ahead or start a fight when most of the other people are not ready. at the end, it's the same "Party: SemiVetern has died". instead of asking for rez, they give a lot of reasons of why they die.

Yup. The same one's who blame the rest of the party for not being on their toes. Or the ones that jump into part II of the Shroud before the casters and clerics are one shrining, die quickly and then starts asking why wasn't he getting healed. Or, more commonly, the eternal scape goat, "lag."

Though lag is a true problem and I've witnessed true lag-related deaths and wipes, it's obvious who messed up and is using lag as an excuse.

Godspeed.

[Osharan_Tregarth]

Yup, waaaaaay to many a$$hats in game these days. Either in group or in chat. I have been fairly fortunate but you can always tell right up front which one in the group has zero clue.

It's me, isn't it?


Dammit...

[KoboldKiller]

It's me, isn't it?


Dammit...

It's always you.

[Falco_Easts]

The frustrating part to me is the large number that don't want to listen.

QFT!

I told someone who was spamming general chat with LFM's to use the LFM panel only to be told it was useless, complicated and no one used it. Huh? Good luck finding a group past the harbour with general chat.