Why those buyout prices?

[Xergoth]

Well, first, if this thread should go in the marketplace forums, i apologize.

So, i have a Cleric and a Fighter in the server Thelanis. I have been playing less than a month, but i know D&D since years. I was looking for a Mithral Fullplate so the fighter can use the extra Dex in the AC, and i find myself looking at a Mithrall Fullplate +3 (for expample).

Enhancement to AC: +3
Material: Mithral
Base value: 19.500 (2000 more than the Fullplate +3 because of the mithral)
Minimun level: 4

Also, in the rules the item works as a +3 for the price.

Buyout value in AH: 800.000

*Point's at the buyout value*
Maybe someone will call me Noob for this question but... Why so much difference between Base value and the Buyout value? Its Mithral, ok, but its still a +3...

Am i wrong?

[Araminta]

Well, first, if this thread should go in the marketplace forums, i apologize.

So, i have a Cleric and a Fighter in the server Thelanis. I have been playing less than a month, but i know D&D since years. I was looking for a Mithral Fullplate so the fighter can use the extra Dex in the AC, and i find myself looking at a Mithrall Fullplate +3 (for expample).

Enhancement to AC: +3
Material: Mithral
Base value: 19.500 (2000 more than the Fullplate +3 because of the mithral)
Minimun level: 4

Also, in the rules the item works as a +3 for the price.

Buyout value in AH: 800.000

*Point's at the buyout value*
Maybe someone will call me Noob for this question but... Why so much difference between Base value and the Buyout value? Its Mithral, ok, but its still a +3...

Am i wrong?

Greed.

Someone WILL pay that. And if the item doesn't sell it'll go straight back on until someone does buy it. The base value is what value the item is worth because of its properties - and a function of tha tis what you'd sell it for in the pawnbrokers (selling it to a general vendor will get you less for it) and this is also the base for what you'd buy it for in the same pawnbrokers.

The AH is a good place to pick up bargains if you don't want to pay PB prices or it's not available in the PB, but don't expect it to be cheap; reasonably priced articles will often be bought by unscrupulous people who pay the buyout and then put it back at "OMG you are kidding me!" prices. If you are the seller you have to ask yourself if you are happy with merely getting more for your item on the AH than you would in the PB, and not caring if someone else comes along and screws the punters by buying your item and putting it up for silly money.

Depends how greedy you want to be- or how much money you'd reasonably like to get for the item. I am apparently weird because I'd rather have something sell and get a reasonable amount for it that the shennanigans of putting it up for stupid money and making a killing.

It's up to you. If you think it's too expensive then don't bid. Simples.

[sirgog]

Well, first, if this thread should go in the marketplace forums, i apologize.

So, i have a Cleric and a Fighter in the server Thelanis. I have been playing less than a month, but i know D&D since years. I was looking for a Mithral Fullplate so the fighter can use the extra Dex in the AC, and i find myself looking at a Mithrall Fullplate +3 (for expample).

Enhancement to AC: +3
Material: Mithral
Base value: 19.500 (2000 more than the Fullplate +3 because of the mithral)
Minimun level: 4

Also, in the rules the item works as a +3 for the price.

Buyout value in AH: 800.000

*Point's at the buyout value*
Maybe someone will call me Noob for this question but... Why so much difference between Base value and the Buyout value? Its Mithral, ok, but its still a +3...

Am i wrong?

That's up for 80k PP because 80k PP is pocket change to longterm vets, who are the only people likely to buy an item like that.

It's overpriced, but that item would sell (and quite quickly) at half the price it is now.

Base values are totally meaningless in this game, just as they are in most other MMOs (e.g. in WoW, a vendor will give you 10 gold for a Darkmoon Card of Greatness, but another player may well give you 6000g)

[Delt]

Buyout and base value have nothing to do with each other, at least where the AH is concerned. Sooner new people understand that, the better.

Reminds me of a few days ago -- the usual marketplace trade spam was flying by and I was ignoring it...but I happened to see a "+1 acid dwarven axe of pure good 18k gold" sandwiched in there among some other junk.

So I messaged the guy...told him that while the rest of his stuff wasn't worth anything, that axe could be sold for 20x as much, easy. He told me I was crazy as the "value" is just above what he is asking and to **** off unless I was wanting to buy something (). So I bought it for 18k gold, tossed it on the AH for a reasonable 40k plat, regretted trying to help a rude noob and collected the sold mail a little while later

Most people that have been playing awhile don't bother keeping normal twink items cluttering up bank slots. So when they roll new alts, they go shopping with a fat wallet. Thats why prices are what they are.

[Keiran]

Most people that have been playing awhile don't bother keeping normal twink items cluttering up bank slots. So when they roll new alts, they go shopping with a fat wallet. Thats why prices are what they are.

^ This answers your entire thread. Vets tend to keep around some of the REALLY cool items sitting on mules, but regular elementals, bursts, and elemental of pure good with low + along with lowbie armors and stuff like +2/+4 stat items? Most of them no...takes up too much room.

[sirgog]

Buyout and base value have nothing to do with each other, at least where the AH is concerned. Sooner new people understand that, the better.

Reminds me of a few days ago -- the usual marketplace trade spam was flying by and I was ignoring it...but I happened to see a "+1 acid dwarven axe of pure good 18k gold" sandwiched in there among some other junk.

So I messaged the guy...told him that while the rest of his stuff wasn't worth anything, that axe could be sold for 20x as much, easy. He told me I was crazy as the "value" is just above what he is asking and to **** off unless I was wanting to buy something (). So I bought it for 18k gold, tossed it on the AH for a reasonable 40k plat, regretted trying to help a rude noob and collected the sold mail a little while later

Most people that have been playing awhile don't bother keeping normal twink items cluttering up bank slots. So when they roll new alts, they go shopping with a fat wallet. Thats why prices are what they are.

You should have asked for more on that axe - you'd have got it.

[joesixpack]

Personally I find the AH on here a little clunky, a search feature would make it much better, and to make more than you get from the brokers you have to overcharge because it takes quite a bit of the money when you sell something(around a 3rd I think). And as I level up, I find myself brokering better and better things, just because I dont want to spend hours searching thru pages of gear by level to find out what the lowest prices is for a given item, you really just have to ask yourself is something is worth it to you before buying, and also look for similar items a couple levels higher, as you can usually find something for a better deal if you wait a couple levels.

[Makar40]

Personally I find the AH on here a little clunky, a search feature would make it much better, and to make more than you get from the brokers you have to overcharge because it takes quite a bit of the money when you sell something(around a 3rd I think). And as I level up, I find myself brokering better and better things, just because I dont want to spend hours searching thru pages of gear by level to find out what the lowest prices is for a given item, you really just have to ask yourself is something is worth it to you before buying, and also look for similar items a couple levels higher, as you can usually find something for a better deal if you wait a couple levels.

Working as intended then. I've been told a few times now, that the AH was grudgingly put into game by devs that didnt want one in game and wanted everyone to use the brokers. it was made a pain so that people would use the brokers instead.