Pure Sorcerer Nuker Build?

[fervidsea]

Hello all. First post, please be gentle.

I have searched the forums, Sorcerer, Builds, etc., but either I have not found what I was looking for or it was right in front of me and I couldn't see it due to the fact that I'm totally new. I have also read most of, not all pages, of "the handbook", New player Nuking 101 and a thread listed as "The Specialist" I believe. And I understand that those are all different styles of playing with different preferences. But I'm looking for someone to lay it out straight for me.

Now, I have WF and Drow unlocked, but obviously only 28point available.

I'm looking for a pure 20 Sorcerer build, using Human, WF or Drow. Primarily solo play, due to hours, but something long term, solo, grouping, "end-game" if there is such a thing. I'm assuming its called a nuker like the video that was posted on one of the threads. Some CC, AoE, DD.

If someone can be so kind to lay a few suggestions out for me, or just pint me in the right direction to a build that I missed and should follow that would be great.

I will also post something similar in the Rogue's forum because I am also interested in a Pure dps rogue build.

Thank you for your time in reading this, I hope it wasn't to long winded.

[sigtrent]

Fun build and pretty simple...

Warforged 28pts
Str 10
Dex 08
Con 16
Int 08
Wis 10
Cha 16

Take Maximize at level 1

Later take Mental Toughness, Toughness, Empower, Quicken Spell, Improved Mental T...
That should hold you till mid levels.

Put your skill point into Concentration.

As you level up put stat points into charisma.
Check the sorcerer boards for good spell picks. Niacs cold ray tends to be a good starter damage spell as is Magic Missile at level 3+ for special targets. You will want to cast some control spells until mid level when you get much stronger damage spells like Firewall. Be sure to take a repair spell Thats the best part of being a warforged sorcerer.

Enhancements tend to be anything that adds to damage or spell points and sometimes hit points.

Low levels are tricky as you can run out of SP trying to kill things with spells very fast. Very hard to solo at low level. This character comes into their own in mid levels.

[Aspenor]

I would personally recommend spell focus: evocation over mental toughness. I'd personally also rather have 10 INT on a sorcerer than 10 strength, that way you can max out concentration and Use Magic Device.

[fervidsea]

Thank you both for your quick replies.

Aspenor I will look into the spell focus and the STR/INT suggestion you mentioned.

Anyone have anything else for a human or drow build?

[Aspenor]

Anyone have anything else for a human or drow build?

What I would do, personally (others disagree, but that just is what it is):

Human
8 STR
8 DEX
16 CON
10 INT
8 WIS
18 CHA

Or if you feel you just need 2 skill points, put those points in INT into STR, DEX, or WIS, depending what you want to have, probably in STR for a new player, since you have less money to afford bulls strength and lesser restore pots.

Drow
8 STR
10 DEX
14 CON
10 INT
10 WIS
20 CHA

That's if you want 2 skill points on the drow, if you want 3, drop the wisdom to 8 and bump INT to 12.

[fervidsea]

Thanks I will give all 3 of those a shot.

[Varis]

Also worth a look:

Drow
8str
16dex
12con
10int
8wis
20cha


or human 28pt

8str
14dex
14con
8int
8wis
18cha

[fervidsea]

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.10
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Zykotic DyZire
Level 2 Lawful Neutral Human Male
(2 Sorcerer) 
Hit Points: 34
Spell Points: 304 
BAB: 1\1
Fortitude: 3
Reflex: -1
Will: 7

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Stats          Modified Stats
Abilities        (Level 1)             (Level 2)
Strength              8                     8
Dexterity             8                     8
Constitution         16                    16
Intelligence         10                    10
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             18                    19

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 2)
Balance              -1                    -1
Bluff                 4                     4
Concentration         7                     9
Diplomacy             5                     5.5
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                4                     4
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                 -1                    -1
Intimidate            5                     5
Jump                 -1                    -1
Listen               -1                    -1
Move Silently        -1                    -1
Open Lock            n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                     0
Search                0                     0
Spot                 -1                    -1
Swim                 -1                    -1
Tumble               n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device      6                     6.5

Level 1 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell
Feat: (Human Bonus) Force of Personality
Enhancement: Sorcerer Concentration I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy Manipulation I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Elemental Manipulation I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded I


Level 2 (Sorcerer)
Enhancement: Sorcerer Charisma I

Going in the right direction so far?

[Visty]

one important things for sorcs:
never ever take mental toughness or improved mental toughness

sorcs have more then enough sp

[fervidsea]

So by taking the energy of the dragonblood is bad as well???

[Visty]

So by taking the energy of the dragonblood is bad as well???

no, that is ok as id only takes a few aps
but mental toughness uses a feat which sorcs are short on anyway

[fervidsea]

Thanks, I will run with what I have and give it a shot... I also rolled a drow bard to play around with.

[Renothebest]

What about a dps-oriented Drow Sorcerer?
I'd like to stat it the con/dex balanced way Varis provided (is that con enough to reach 300hp?)

8str
16dex
12con
10int
8wis
20cha

Stated that i'll focus on CHA when i lvl up, what should the feat/spell/enanchments be?

just some ideas I have:
- Feat -> no toughness or mental toughness required (1st for not being a melee char, 2nd following Visty post)
- Spells -> no idea... suggest plz
- Enanch. -> fire/ice based; +CHA based... than suggest :P

[W4T3RDr0pz]

Even none melee charters can use toughness and benefit from it. Drop the dex raise the int and con
Cha - max
con - max or 2 under
int - max after other 2 stats

Simple build
feats - Metamagics for most part
Spells - Look into the 2 handbooks that are out don't be lazy.
http://compendium.ddo.com/wiki/Categ...r_Enhancements - Read and play

[fervidsea]

I didnt want to start a new thread... So will the following satisfy my needs leveling and end game. FUN>DPS>AoE's, group and solo ability?

Any input would be great. So I take the spell focus and GSF earlier? No clue on spells yet.

Thanks

Character Plan by DDO Character Planner Version 3.10
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Level 20 True Neutral Human Male
(20 Sorcerer) 
Hit Points: 192
Spell Points: 1987 
BAB: 10\10\15\20
Fortitude: 9
Reflex: 5
Will: 20

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Stats          Modified Stats
Abilities        (Level 1)             (Level 20)
Strength              8                     8
Dexterity             8                     8
Constitution         16                    17
Intelligence         10                    10
Wisdom                8                     8
Charisma             18                    26

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance              -1                    -1
Bluff                 4                     8
Concentration         7                    26
Diplomacy             5                    14
Disable Device        n/a                   n/a
Haggle                4                     8
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                 -1                    -1
Intimidate            5                    13.5
Jump                 -1                    -1
Listen               -1                    -1
Move Silently        -1                    -1
Open Lock            n/a                   n/a
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                0                     0
Search                0                     0
Spot                 -1                    -1
Swim                 -1                    -1
Tumble               n/a                   n/a
Use Magic Device      6                    19.5

Level 1 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Empower Spell
Feat: (Human Bonus) Toughness
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy Manipulation I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Elemental Manipulation I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Force Manipulation I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy of the Dragonblooded I


Level 2 (Sorcerer)
Enhancement: Human Versatility I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Charisma I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Wand Mastery I


Level 3 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Extend Spell
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Energy I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Elements I


Level 4 (Sorcerer)
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy Manipulation II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Elemental Manipulation II


Level 5 (Sorcerer)
Enhancement: Human Adaptability Charisma I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Deadly Energy I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Deadly Elements I


Level 6 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Maximize Spell
Enhancement: Sorcerer Improved Maximizing I
Enhancement: Sorcerer Force Manipulation II


Level 7 (Sorcerer)
Enhancement: Sorcerer Elemental Manipulation III
Enhancement: Sorcerer Wand Mastery II


Level 8 (Sorcerer)
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy Manipulation III


Level 9 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Heighten Spell
Enhancement: Sorcerer Charisma II


Level 10 (Sorcerer)
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Energy II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Elements II


Level 11 (Sorcerer)
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Deadly Energy II
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Deadly Elements II


Level 12 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Spell Focus: Evocation
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Elements III


Level 13 (Sorcerer)
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Energy III
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Deadly Elements III


Level 14 (Sorcerer)
Enhancement: Human Greater Adaptability Constitution I


Level 15 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Spell Focus: Evocation
Enhancement: Sorcerer Lineage of Deadly Energy III


Level 16 (Sorcerer)
Enhancement: Sorcerer Improved Heightening I


Level 17 (Sorcerer)
Enhancement: Sorcerer Improved Maximizing II


Level 18 (Sorcerer)
Feat: (Selected) Force of Personality
Enhancement: Sorcerer Elemental Manipulation IV


Level 19 (Sorcerer)
Enhancement: Sorcerer Energy Manipulation IV


Level 20 (Sorcerer)
Enhancement: Sorcerer Bloodline of Power
Enhancement: Sorcerer Wand Mastery III

[Tyrande]

[...]
I'm looking for a pure 20 Sorcerer build, using Human, WF or Drow. Primarily solo play, due to hours, but something long term, solo, grouping, "end-game" if there is such a thing. I'm assuming its called a nuker like the video that was posted on one of the threads. Some CC, AoE, DD.

All those are good advices as for builds above. As for a nuker, it doesn't work out in the current end-game and the upcoming epic mode at the moment unless the elemental savant PrEs are real good. Current captone is broken for sorcerers.

Even some thrash monsters have 5000-10,000hp. It makes nuking very inefficient.
Unless there is some way to grow SP potions on trees, nuking doesn't work.

My advice: Either go play your DPS rogue and make sure it has lots of HP and Strength or build a DPS melee build.

If you still want to play your sorcerer, yes, it is still very fun until about level 15. After that, it gets less fun every level.

Or you can: build a WF sorcerer and start with lower charisma and put more points in Strength and Constitution.
Gather lots of divine Power clickies and madstone clickies and get scrolls for spell: Tenser's Transformation. Make sure you have repair spells like reconstruct.
In that way, you can still enjoy nuking and sometimes fight with a good weapon like a melee with pre-buffs like blur, haste,
displacement, stone-skin, mass elemental protection, resist energy, etc.

[miceelf88]

Varis and Reno- perhaps I am missing something important, but I am reallly unclear on what advantage you get out of elevated dex. Dex gets you a few points of AC (which are dump for casters in general) and a few points reflex saves, also not a big priority for sorcs, I think). On the other hand, using those points on more CON gives you more HP, which are ALWAYS helpful, especially for squishies. Failing that, it could be used on INT to give you more skill points.

Perhaps I'm missing something like I said, but why ever put dex for a pure class sorcerer at more than 12, tops?

[fervidsea]

All those are good advices as for builds above. As for a nuker, it doesn't work out in the current end-game and the upcoming epic mode at the moment unless the elemental savant PrEs are real good. Current captone is broken for sorcerers.

Even some thrash monsters have 5000-10,000hp. It makes nuking very inefficient.
Unless there is some way to grow SP potions on trees, nuking doesn't work.

My advice: Either go play your DPS rogue and make sure it has lots of HP and Strength or build a DPS melee build.

If you still want to play your sorcerer, yes, it is still very fun until about level 15. After that, it gets less fun every level.

Or you can: build a WF sorcerer and start with lower charisma and put more points in Strength and Constitution.
Gather lots of divine Power clickies and madstone clickies and get scrolls for spell: Tenser's Transformation. Make sure you have repair spells like reconstruct.
In that way, you can still enjoy nuking and sometimes fight with a good weapon like a melee with pre-buffs like blur, haste,
displacement, stone-skin, mass elemental protection, resist energy, etc.

Is it my build that sucks or your current opinion on the state of "end game"? Not that I doubt you, just trying to get some ideas.

And your comment on "fun until about level 15" again just game dynamics? Sorcerers (nukers) suck and are not wanted for group or raid play?

Again I pay to much attention to the details and still haven't moved off the starter island. But I don't want to waste my time to realize I rolled a gimp toon from the start.

[ddoer]

Varis and Reno- perhaps I am missing something important, but I am reallly unclear on what advantage you get out of elevated dex. Dex gets you a few points of AC (which are dump for casters in general) and a few points reflex saves, also not a big priority for sorcs, I think). On the other hand, using those points on more CON gives you more HP, which are ALWAYS helpful, especially for squishies. Failing that, it could be used on INT to give you more skill points.

Perhaps I'm missing something like I said, but why ever put dex for a pure class sorcerer at more than 12, tops?

yes, you missed 2 whole threads of discussion

• New Player Nuking 101
• Importance of a high reflex save in mod9?

and you missed out dex-save for trip/knockdown. if more HP is always helpful, i could say more reflex save is always helpful, too. does +20 HP or +1/+2 reflex save make any difference?

[Sandpredator]

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