So module 1 has respec...

[Gol]

And to change 1 class level, you have to reroll at level 1 with a steeper XP curve.

Wow... Just wow...

reference: http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=206066

[Ranmaru2]

The continue to make VIP look like it's the wrong choice to be to play this game, don't they?

edit: Why put 32 point and veteran status in the store? You need to learn to play before you utilize these things! Oh wait...can't bring up this argument, please ignore

So far I don't like the look of the preview notes...

[Ron]

The continue to make VIP look like it's the wrong choice to be to play this game, don't they?

How so? What exactly is it that you guys are complaining about? There are three different options there for respecing. Two of them allow you to keep your XP and favor. What is the problem?

[Gol]

How so? What exactly is it that you guys are complaining about? There are three different options there for respecing. Two of them allow you to keep your XP and favor. What is the problem?

It's not respec, it's just stat redistribution.

Respec requires rerolling on a steeper xp curve.

[JayDubya]

It's not respec, it's just stat redistribution.

Respec requires rerolling on a steeper xp curve.

Except that you get to keep your bound gear and you get a free feat

I'm curious, how do other games handle changing class make-up during a respec?

[Gol]

Except that you get to keep your bound gear and you get a free feat

I'm curious, how do other games handle changing class make-up during a respec?

What other games have multiclassing?

[Ranmaru2]

How so? What exactly is it that you guys are complaining about? There are three different options there for respecing. Two of them allow you to keep your XP and favor. What is the problem?

The only comment I'll put on this one as it might turn into that other locked thread is that they're removing all sense of accomplishment from the game when all you can do is whip out a friggin credit card and HURRAY you don't have to run the content in the game anymore to unlock stuff. It's almost like those people who show you how to get XBox 360 and PS3 achievements and then you hear people brag about 100%-ing a game.

[JayDubya]

The only comment I'll put on this one as it might turn into that other locked thread is that they're removing all sense of accomplishment from the game when all you can do is whip out a friggin credit card and HURRAY you don't have to run the content in the game anymore to unlock stuff. It's almost like those people who show you how to get XBox 360 and PS3 achievements and then you hear people brag about 100%-ing a game.

What you are saying is : "It removes all sense of accomplishment when I can whip out a credit card to unlock stuff"

But what you really mean, as far as I can tell, is: "It makes me annoyed that other people can whip out a credit card to unlock stuff"

Because, of course, you don't have to use a credit card to unlock those things, and then the accomplishment is quite significant (for example, I feel awesome about getting 2500 favor to get my FvS, and even though other people bought one, it does not diminish my personal sense of accomplishment)

[Ranmaru2]

What you are saying is : "It removes all sense of accomplishment when I can whip out a credit card to unlock stuff"

But what you really mean, as far as I can tell, is: "It makes me annoyed that other people can whip out a credit card to unlock stuff"

Because, of course, you don't have to use a credit card to unlock those things, and then the accomplishment is quite significant (for example, I feel awesome about getting 2500 favor to get my FvS, and even though other people bought one, it does not diminish my personal sense of accomplishment)

like I said that's my last comment on that in here, you want to continue this, PM me.

Anyway..the respec sounds interesting indeed. I might do that for my first character or I may not...I'd have to learn more about it, like keeping +3 tomes and such...

[BlackSteel]

What you are saying is : "It removes all sense of accomplishment when I can whip out a credit card to unlock stuff"

in order to True Rez you have to hit lvl 20 first, then lvl 20 again, for 3 complete 1-20 journeys on a single character. credit card isnt going to play the game for you.

[Borror0]

What you are saying is : "It removes all sense of accomplishment when I can whip out a credit card to unlock stuff"

But what you really mean, as far as I can tell, is: "It makes me annoyed that other people can whip out a credit card to unlock stuff"

No, he meant the first one.

Whether it's really a problem for the achievement that 1750 favor is to remain "difficult" is another question, however.

Much of the reason to desire a respec is so you can avoid having to reroll. But for very many characters, respec by this system will be practically identical to rerolling. It is undesirable for the cost to change a fairly minor thing to be the same as to change totally everything.

This.

"Respec" is a widely discussed phrase with no consistent meaning. In fact I started a thread some time ago just to define what it meant to different players.

That is false. You started a thread to determinate what people meant by "full respec".

What is a respec and the reason as to why people want to respec never were the topic of discussion.

That is, no one ever questioned that the fact that, if one desires a respec, it is to avoid rerolling. After all, there is no other reason to desire that. As Angelus_dead pointed out, to a lot of characters, this is no different than rerolling that should be a problem when changing a minor thing.

[Gornn]

What you are saying is : "It removes all sense of accomplishment when I can whip out a credit card to unlock stuff"

But what you really mean, as far as I can tell, is: "It makes me annoyed that other people can whip out a credit card to unlock stuff"

Because, of course, you don't have to use a credit card to unlock those things, and then the accomplishment is quite significant (for example, I feel awesome about getting 2500 favor to get my FvS, and even though other people bought one, it does not diminish my personal sense of accomplishment)

I edited the most important part a little because you are so close to dead on:

But what you really mean, as far as I can tell, is: "It makes me annoyed that other people can whip out a credit card to unlock stuff (that I had to grind out!) I had to work for it so should everyone else."

[KoboldKiller]

Plus unless I read it wrong you can re-create an alt with 34 points now.

[Mockduck]

I was against 32 point builds in the store until I realized that F2P players cannot achieve enough favor to unlock the builds without buying a bunch of adventure packs. It changed my mind on it.

I'm loving what I've been reading myself. It's huge. Epic, even.

[ArkoHighStar]

I was against 32 point builds in the store until I realized that F2P players cannot achieve enough favor to unlock the builds without buying a bunch of adventure packs. It changed my mind on it.

I'm loving what I've been reading myself. It's huge. Epic, even.

a lot of it is god 32pt at the store is fine, its not like you can tell or anything anyway

greater respec is disappointing as its only benefit is to turn a 28 pt build into a 32, meaning I pay more because my char is older, there is no real benefit

[Delt]

That's pretty **** interesting...the True Res option.

[Hendrik]

How so? What exactly is it that you guys are complaining about? There are three different options there for respecing. Two of them allow you to keep your XP and favor. What is the problem?

They can't have it all Ron, that's the problem.

[Dylos_Moon]

And to change 1 class level, you have to reroll at level 1 with a steeper XP curve.

And become a 34 point build...

Seems like a fair trade off to me.

[Gol]

And become a 34 point build...

Seems like a fair trade off to me.

I don't want a 34 point build. I don't want to lose my tomes. I don't even want to change my stats. I want to drop 1 class level.

[Harncw]

I don't want a 34 point build. I don't want to lose my tomes. I don't even want to change my stats. I want to drop 1 class level.

Today you have one more solution to that problem.