Reincarnation Feedback: Lesser Reincarnation

[Thanimal]

This is trickier because of some of the alignment restrictions on classes. Like if you were readjusting the skills on your paladin and decided "hmm say now I want to be chaotic"...the universe implodes.

I'm very confused about how this is tricky. Each class a legal alignment set. ANDing together all of the legal alignment sets of the character's classes produces the legal alignment set for the combination. Now only offer the legal ones as respec options.

Far from tricky, this looks like about 3-5 lines of code to me. Maybe 10 if the alignment restrictions are not yet stored in a binary vector anywhere. In fact, I was completely shocked this wasn't the FIRST one you added because it's conceptually so simple to do AND so important after you introduced an extremely powerful splash class that has an alignment restriction (Monk, in case that wasn't obvious).

This is the only respec that I am really waiting for, so I am both confused and disappointed. PLEASE rectify this as soon as possible! Thanks.

[Lorien_the_First_One]

I'm very confused about how this is tricky. Each class a legal alignment set. ANDing together all of the legal alignment sets of the character's classes produces the legal alignment set for the combination. Now only offer the legal ones as respec options.

Far from tricky, this looks like about 3-5 lines of code to me. Maybe 10 if the alignment restrictions are not yet stored in a binary vector anywhere. In fact, I was completely shocked this wasn't the FIRST one you added because it's conceptually so simple to do AND so important after you introduced an extremely powerful splash class that has an alignment restriction (Monk, in case that wasn't obvious).

This is the only respec that I am really waiting for, so I am both confused and disappointed. PLEASE rectify this as soon as possible! Thanks.

I agree, its the type of "intro to computer logic" problem you give to first year computer students in highschool (or would that be elementary grades these days? lol)

[Auran82]

Oh Lamannia! I have to bring you the bad news.

I have pulled Greater and Lesser Hearts of Wood from the Lamannia store - due to some really bad outcomes in chargen. We will likely disable the buttons before the night is done.

This will be until we are able to update Lamannia next week with a fix.

All we know from today's results is, any transferred character* can not use lesser and greater reincarnation. We also believe it is related to copying player history (the transferred soul's memories) to your new body.
Since True Reincarnation does not retain your memories, True Reincarnation does not have this issue, and thereby has not had this problem.

To clarify: "transferred character" refers to a character that was created on a different shard. If a Character was created on Lamannia originally, it will be able to reincarnate.

Next week?

Are we there yet?

[Lorien_the_First_One]

Next week?

Are we there yet?

http://forums.ddo.com/showpost.php?p...79&postcount=1

[blakeye]

okay so before the disaster of last week on the reincarnation I tried a lessor on my lvl 17 bard 16/sorc1 it was messed up. after todays patch i logged in and hit the reincarnate button.

took me to airship said to talk to the person for level up and nothing happened wouldn't give me xp or level me back up ?

talking to the person was non responsive only person i could talk to was captain and it booted me off boat into stormreach with all packs empty items are still in bank and i still have plat tho

so i guess this patch was a failure as it didn't fix what it broke last week.


I am loathe to try any other reincarnations at this point. why should i mess up a toon that now it worthless for testing purposes?

[Longshot7]

Today I tested the reincarnation on my lvl 17 Sorc. Here's my input
Pros:
Respec of Stats and Skills - Got more HP and Skill points with the changes in my stat allocation
Respec of Spells - Woot, woulda been expensive to swap out all the spells I wanted to. Plus would have taken a month to do so.
XP and Favor - Still had all XP and Favor. While it was a pain to have to talk to all the favor NPCs again, I did get more Ingredients bags (small and Large)
Explorer Areas Reset - Kill Counts, Explorers and Rare Encounters all set to 0. More XP.
Equipment - Still had everything, but only had 3 back pack slots so couldn't see everything until I offloaded stuff or got my 5 slots back.

Cons:
All quests have been reset - Have to re run all the flagging quests to get raid ready for Titan, DQ, Shroud, Reaver, etc... This is a BIG pain and questionable if it is going to be worth it.
Favor Reset - Had to retalk to Favor NPCs and spend portable hole and gold to get my 5th backpack slot.

Indifferent:
Leveling - meh.. teadious but I guess it's needed this way..
Change Looks - kewl if you want to look different I guess. Sucks if you bought hair styles or colors.

More to follow.

[doppleganger]

did a lesser reincarnation on a toon today.

It generally went well, but a few negative points:

-why not give us back our original look by default? It is kind of tedious to try to recreate it just the way it was.

-that disapperance of our 2 coin lord backpack spaces is really annoying. I know we can get them back, but it is annoying.

-unless I missed it, it would really be handy to have an overview of what classes we took at what level at the beginning of the releveling process, to help us plan the releveling. It is not obvious at which moment it would be best to take each feat, and how many skill points to put in what skills, at each level, especially when we are multiclassed and want to take advantage of each specific class skill costs. In all my newer toons, I have all this on paper, but on older toons...

[Arctigis]

I agree, its the type of "intro to computer logic" problem you give to first year computer students in highschool (or would that be elementary grades these days? lol)

Which suggests to me that this is not the real reason it was done or that the current implementation of alignment
is not as simple as we suspect. Tolero's response did seem a little fatuous to me. It would be interesting to know
why it's considered hard. I tried to raise this point on another thread but inexplicably got involved in a logic
'****ing contest' with Borror0.

[Arctigis]

Today I tested the reincarnation on my lvl 17 Sorc. Here's my input
Pros:
Respec of Stats and Skills - Got more HP and Skill points with the changes in my stat allocation
Respec of Spells - Woot, woulda been expensive to swap out all the spells I wanted to. Plus would have taken a month to do so.
XP and Favor - Still had all XP and Favor. While it was a pain to have to talk to all the favor NPCs again, I did get more Ingredients bags (small and Large)
Explorer Areas Reset - Kill Counts, Explorers and Rare Encounters all set to 0. More XP.
Equipment - Still had everything, but only had 3 back pack slots so couldn't see everything until I offloaded stuff or got my 5 slots back.

Cons:
All quests have been reset - Have to re run all the flagging quests to get raid ready for Titan, DQ, Shroud, Reaver, etc... This is a BIG pain and questionable if it is going to be worth it.
Favor Reset - Had to retalk to Favor NPCs and spend portable hole and gold to get my 5th backpack slot.

Indifferent:
Leveling - meh.. teadious but I guess it's needed this way..
Change Looks - kewl if you want to look different I guess. Sucks if you bought hair styles or colors.

More to follow.

Ooh nasty. Most of those sound like bugs to me. My guess is that the explorer zone reset will be fixed
straight away but the others will still be around in 6 months ;-)

[GoldyGopher]

Still suck as a level 1 toon after attempting to reincarnate a second time.

[winsom]

This is trickier because of some of the alignment restrictions on classes.
True Reincarnation will allow you to change your alignment though.

How about a list of available alignments to chose from when using Lesser and Greater?

If Barbarian = True then "Lawful X" drops off the list of valid choices.

C'mon Turbine! You can create a complicated game but you are shying away from doing this relatively simple check to implement this very popularly requested re-spec option?

True Reincarnate is not a Re-spec option.

[Natashaelle]

Today I tested the reincarnation on my lvl 17 Sorc. Here's my input
Pros:
Respec of Stats and Skills - Got more HP and Skill points with the changes in my stat allocation
Respec of Spells - Woot, woulda been expensive to swap out all the spells I wanted to. Plus would have taken a month to do so.
XP and Favor - Still had all XP and Favor. While it was a pain to have to talk to all the favor NPCs again, I did get more Ingredients bags (small and Large)
Explorer Areas Reset - Kill Counts, Explorers and Rare Encounters all set to 0. More XP.
Equipment - Still had everything, but only had 3 back pack slots so couldn't see everything until I offloaded stuff or got my 5 slots back.

Cons:
All quests have been reset - Have to re run all the flagging quests to get raid ready for Titan, DQ, Shroud, Reaver, etc... This is a BIG pain and questionable if it is going to be worth it.
Favor Reset - Had to retalk to Favor NPCs and spend portable hole and gold to get my 5th backpack slot.

Indifferent:
Leveling - meh.. teadious but I guess it's needed this way..
Change Looks - kewl if you want to look different I guess. Sucks if you bought hair styles or colors.

More to follow.

I took Lesser Reincarnation on a 6th level character, running in F2P mode, and I have had quite similar experiences.

APPEARANCE : It is very annoying that starting appearance is randomly generated instead of being identical to (and of course changeable from) one's previous incarnation.

ITEMS : I *believe* that all of my items could fit into three backpack slots, plus equipment slots for those no-ML items I was using, however I was completely unable to have any meaningful interaction with the Minotaur on the airship ; presumably because he had none of my gear. It would have been reassuring if talking to this employee led him to spawn some sort of travelling bag, or chest, or other luggage that one could then open for one's items recovery.

QUEST RESETTING : hmmmmm I'm in two minds about this one, although it feels buggy either way. Quests are still flagged as completed at the various difficulty levels, but number of times completed has been reset to zero -- as have all explorer, slayer, rares in the Wilderness areas.

I have completed a few of these Quests redux, and was indeed able to level from 6 to 7 basically just playing Korthos II and Harbour: the Sequel, which was a bit weird but not overly so. XP awards in fact seemed balanced, because no first-time bonuses were provided on any repeated quests -- and given that I had used my free Lammania Points from the earlier Beta test period to raise cap to 20, this actually felt like a good way to provide XP for people having purchased level sigils from the store but being a bit more selective about which Adventure Packs they wanted to buy. Explorer, slayer, rares being reset to zero felt mostly positive from this point of view.

On the other hand, as noted by the previous poster, all flags were also reset -- so that with my F2P account character, when I eventually died, I ended up back at Korthos Beach -- I **had** to run through the Grotto (no option to skip by talking to the rogue), strange with a 6th level character ; and I opted to rush through the Korthos content to Misery's Peak rather than talk to the First Mate, for testing reasons basically. This felt buggy. I was able to get another set of starting gear (minus the starter rags, boo!), a *second* Korthos set neckie from Captain after completing Dragon Quest - the Return (got the mana clicky one ), but the nice lady in the Harbour failed to provide me with a second set of starting collectibles and gem bags. Consistency would have been nice anyway.

I'm not sure how I feel about this, given that it is unclear what the design goals are here... it occurs to me that if the Quest resetting is by design, that some F2P people without a full set of Adventure Packs could use this as a source of XP, or that characters having been True Reincarnated and having similar trouble with XP could use Greater Reincarnation to reset Quest and Wilderness counters to zero, and keep their 34/36 points ? On the other hand if it's just a bug, then fair enough...

The reflagging feels annoying though, from both points of view.

FAVOUR : Had to talk to NPCs to get benefits back as well, but given that this was just the Coin Lords guy for 4th backpack slot and that all my gear could fit into 3 slots this was not too painful -- this would clearly be far more so with more extensive favour. Felt buggy anyway, and I think that all previously gained favour rewards should be automatically gained, except of course for such matters as free extra large bags etc Previous poster's comments that ANOTHER Collapsed Port Hole and Plat expenditure are required for 5th backpack slot are noted, and his implicit criticism agreed with

PURCHASED CONTENT : I had purchased no cosmetics, so had none to lose, although I will REPEAT my view that appearance should be defaulted to the existing one. Regarding purchased cosmetics, I suppose that as a matter of free choice, it could potentially be desirable if copies of previously applied cosmetics were spawned in backpack (and I mean just the currently applied ones, NOT free copies of all purchased hair styles/colours etc for those changing their hair every 5 minutes ; I don't think people should be either forced to apply old cosmetics or forced to purchase them again if they were still wanted. Though perhaps some other UI could be devised - I note however that hair style removal items must be purchased at Store, so there's a stronger case for the styles to be persistent rather than lost.

I had gained level 8 sigil from questing, and had purchased level 12, 16, and 20 sigils during previous Beta period -- level cap was still at 20 post-reincarnate

I had purchased the Tangleroot Pack and was able to return there (of course this is an account-wide item, not character-specific).

[atkbeast]

I just did a lesser reincarnation to my level 17 rogue. I doubt I will do this toon when the update goes live because the flaws she has are acceptable. The only changes I made were moving wasted skill points into diplomacy and moving 2 points from charisma to con.

Overall the process of putting the toon back together was pretty simple. It took my longer than normal because of how little I was changing over all. The +2 strength tome she ate was applied during the process, so no issues there.

I prepped the to for reincarnation by emptying her backpack as much as possible, with only a half page of overflow. After talking to the minotaur, I had the expected overflow icon on my screen.

Like all other reports all favor and raid flagging were reset. As mentioned earlier in the thread, my toon has 2 pendants of time for House P favor. If they dont change the favor reset, it wont bother me. I cant say if I got a second tome from 1750 because I had not picked one before the backup was done, but I will find out later when I do the greater reincarnation on my 28 point cleric.

I did confirm a hunch I had about reflagging for the Titan. Since my rogue has a high umd, I had her greater teleport to the Restless Isles with her sigil. After talking to the npc's there she was Titan ready. We wont have to go through the whole flagging process for the Titan again because the sigil is not destroyed upon completion. If anything just rerunning hips to gain access to the isles is necessary. I suspect that it will be simple enough to make quick runs to get the items needed to flag for the demon queen and shroud before reincarnation. The reaver and abbott are much more complicated since many runs are needed to get the items to flag.

It should be interesting to see how this will shape up when it goes live.

[Asketes]

neat product and a nice way going about it

[Seamonkeysix]

Disregard. Found my own disappointing answer.

[Raiderone]

Is the update going to correct the Monk Feat issues with AC Bonus and others that don't get multipliers?

Plus issue with Rogue/Ranger not getting shield and other feats from ranger part until logging...