Reincarnation Feedback: Lesser Reincarnation

[Strakeln]

It's trickier, for sure.

But i'm betting you crafty devs can come up with a workable solution. This really should be done, tricky or not.

Agreed. The character I most want to respec? My 18/1/1 Ranger/Rog/Ftr. You already know the story... made long before monk came out, clearly rgr/rog/mnk would have been better... but hell, my alignment isn't right, so no can do?

C'mon Turbine, you're so close to perfect with your implementation! Find a way to make this happen.

[Eladrin]

are tomes retained with lesser? they are not with True.

With Lesser (and Greater) Reincarnation, your tomes will gradually re-apply themselves as you increase in level, at the minimum levels tomes can be applied at.

If you ate a +3 strength tome, for instance, and then lesser reincarnated, you would get a +1 inherent bonus strength at level 3, +2 at level 7, and +3 at level 11.

[RACRGUY]

I have a char that I made a bad multiclass choice on. I took a second lvl of Rgr, before the Ftr Kensei was announced. Anyway, I want a way to undo that class choice. Without startig over at lvl 1.

If I understand how the reincarnations work, I cannot do that.

Can you please add s ome option for me to do that?

Let me reset to a lower lvl, other than lvl 1. (in my case lvl15 on my current lvl17 char)

The way I'm reading it is, you rebuild your character, to the exact point it is at now, starting after you have all ready chosen your 1st class(and race, and alignment, etc.) So then in your example, you will have a 17 fighter, or a 1 fighter/16 ranger.

[RACRGUY]

With Lesser (and Greater) Reincarnation, your tomes will gradually re-apply themselves as you increase in level, at the minimum levels tomes can be applied at.

If you ate a +3 strength tome, for instance, and then lesser reincarnated, you would get a +1 inherent bonus strength at level 3, +2 at level 7, and +3 at level 11.

That is very good to know.

[Angelus_dead]

This is trickier because of some of the alignment restrictions on classes. Like if you were readjusting the skills on your paladin and decided "hmm say now I want to be chaotic"...the universe implodes.

By the D&D rules, you'd continue to have those features on the character sheet, but they wouldn't function as long as you were non-good or non-lawful.

Likewise, a barbarian who became lawful would retain most features, but couldn't activate rage.

[ArkoHighStar]

Tolero/Tarrant

does Greater and Lesser Reincarnation put you back at level 1?

my guess is that you start at character creation and put in stats etc and build your way back up but only through the levels you already have, in other words yoru class/level progressions are set. But we will see when they unleash it on us.

[Lerincho]

With Lesser (and Greater) Reincarnation, your tomes will gradually re-apply themselves as you increase in level, at the minimum levels tomes can be applied at.

If you ate a +3 strength tome, for instance, and then lesser reincarnated, you would get a +1 inherent bonus strength at level 3, +2 at level 7, and +3 at level 11.

exactly what i wanted to know, thanks eladrin.

by same example, in the event of +3 intelligence tome. at 3 you get the +1, skill points adjusted if needed for level 4, +2 at level 7 with skill points adjusted at 8th, and +3 at 11th with final adjustment at 12 of skill points?

[Blind_Skwerl]

Hmm.... what if you read +2 tomes at level 1? I have several characters that have read +2 int tomes right away. Would they retain the extra skill point per level on the way to level 7, or would that be gone?

[Visty]

Hmm.... what if you read +2 tomes at level 1? I have several characters that have read +2 int tomes right away. Would they retain the extra skill point per level on the way to level 7, or would that be gone?

that would be gone

its a matter of choice: keep the skillpoints or fix some mistakes

[Jay203]

Agreed. The character I most want to respec? My 18/1/1 Ranger/Rog/Ftr. You already know the story... made long before monk came out, clearly rgr/rog/mnk would have been better... but hell, my alignment isn't right, so no can do?

C'mon Turbine, you're so close to perfect with your implementation! Find a way to make this happen.

strak, for that problem, you need the true incarnation anyway
so you can change your alignment =P

[Kistilan]

This is trickier because of some of the alignment restrictions on classes. Like if you were readjusting the skills on your paladin and decided "hmm say now I want to be chaotic"...the universe implodes.

True Reincarnation will allow you to change your alignment though.

First, really good job and I'm glad you chose the Reincarnation vs Full Character Respec. I'm glad that thread wasn't for nothing. I'm much happier with what you've done considering the Turbine Store was implemented.

Second, a suggestion about alignments for Lesser Reincarnation:

Code (very simply) a radial select of "alternate alignments" that would be available. Have an If-then Restriction list. That way if the user has a Barbarian Level, it will remove Lawful Options. If the user has Monk, it will remove all Chaotics plus Neutral and Neutral Good Options. If Paladin, every option is removed (because they were already Lawful Good ie the only alternative).

If you ever implement EVIL Alignments, a Paladin could possibly change to Lawful Evil. If you were to implement alternative 3.5 Rules, Lawful Neutral Paladins would also be possible (but let's not get carried away here -- PrCs would have to be the new deal replacing PrEs).

[muffinlad]

If it is not possible to change the way our character was built (if you are a 16 wiz, 1 Pali today, and you have to build it exactly that way) I am not sure the restriction on alignment could not be handled differently. Naturally, the stats and skills could be different.

If what this says is you have to take your FIRST class, and that you may change out the class selections, I can see the complexity.

However, I am still unclear as to the restrictions on how you rebuild your character, so perhaps I should just ask- "If, I am currently a 13 wiz, 2 monk, 5 cleric, do I have to be the exact same build when I am done with the reincarnation, or is it that I only have to have the FIRST class the same?"

Regards,

muffinconfused.

[TheJusticar]

With Lesser (and Greater) Reincarnation, your tomes will gradually re-apply themselves as you increase in level, at the minimum levels tomes can be applied at.

If you ate a +3 strength tome, for instance, and then lesser reincarnated, you would get a +1 inherent bonus strength at level 3, +2 at level 7, and +3 at level 11.

Excellent! Lesser re-incarnation is the way to go for sure -- and the one that makes the most sense. Greater reincarnation sounds like a grind trap with a preposterous side effect (height increase).

Godspeed.

[moorewr]

Excellent! Lesser re-incarnation is the way to go for sure -- and the one that makes the most sense. Greater reincarnation sounds like a grind trap with a preposterous side effect (height increase).

Godspeed.

You mean True Reincarnation above. Greater is just like lesser except it makes a 28pt char into a 32pt char.

Also, trust me when I say there are going to be plenty of people doing true reincarnation... if you can cap a character in two weeks as I often hear (as opposed to my nine months), what's another few days along with keeping your raid gear?

[Kistilan]

You mean True Reincarnation above. Greater is just like lesser except it makes a 28pt char into a 32pt char.

Also, trust me when I say there are going to be plenty of people doing true reincarnation... if you can cap a character in two weeks as I often hear (as opposed to my nine months), what's another few days along with keeping your raid gear?

QFT

I plan to recincarnate one character 6 times.

PS: Six is the Optimal Reincarnation for a drow -- after that you start getting 1 Attribute per Reincarnation (not worth it) on a drow (I did the math).

[bobbryan2]

QFT

I plan to recincarnate one character 6 times.

PS: Six is the Optimal Reincarnation for a drow -- after that you start getting 1 Attribute per Reincarnation (not worth it) on a drow (I did the math).

I think you're joking. But I'm not sure I get it. You do realize you can only true reincarnate twice, right?

[Osharan_Tregarth]

Also, trust me when I say there are going to be plenty of people doing true reincarnation... if you can cap a character in two weeks as I often hear (as opposed to my nine months), what's another few days along with keeping your raid gear?

Pretty much. Although we dedicated more play time to those characters than normal, it did only take the gf and I about 2 weeks to get our fvs to level 17 where we stopped caring about leveling them. I'm pretty sure there are plenty of other people who were capped in that time frame.

I plan on using the true reincarnation on my dwarf ranger, to remake him into...


A dwarf ranger!

Maybe.. I guess. Or perhaps human. Or maybe a fighter instead. Who knows....

[TheJusticar]

You mean True Reincarnation above. Greater is just like lesser except it makes a 28pt char into a 32pt char.

Also, trust me when I say there are going to be plenty of people doing true reincarnation... if you can cap a character in two weeks as I often hear (as opposed to my nine months), what's another few days along with keeping your raid gear?

Yeah, I meant TR ... and yeah it's an option for the power level crowd. But for people like myself that take about 6 months, in average, to cap a toon (to lvl 20) lesser seems to be the no-brainer choice.

Godspeed.

[moorewr]

QFT

I plan to recincarnate one character 6 times.

PS: Six is the Optimal Reincarnation for a drow -- after that you start getting 1 Attribute per Reincarnation (not worth it) on a drow (I did the math).

I wish a) that this was possible, and b) your avatar got taller EACH time. I want some freaking 12' tall Warforged clopping around Stormreach. Good luck seeing the dungeon around your avatar.

[Riggs]

Seems awesome to finally be able to respec - but what will be the 'cost' difference between say lesser and greater? Basically the same except for the 28-32 point boost - but all seem to need the same hunk of wood.

So is there a secondary cost that is different as well?