Defender of Siberys + Stalwart Defender

[Maxson]

I'm currently in the midst of designing a fighter/paladin/rogue tank.

To take Stalwart Defender (fighter) or Defender of siberys (Paladin) I need each class' armour class action boost.

However in the DDO chargen when I have paladin armour boost one, then fighter armour boost 1 doesn't exist in the enhancement list. Does this mean I can't have these two armour boosts (and therefore that I can't have these two prestige enhancemnts?

If I can, does anybody know if the bonuses they give stack? (IE the improved dex bonus with tower shields).

If you can't, would you guys recommend more fighter or more paladin levels (to get to level 2 of one of these 2 enhancement lines) I'm a big junkie for feats and stalwart defender is pretty nice, but perhaps I';ve overlooked something.

Thanks

-Maxson

[FluffyCalico]

Part of being the tank is having aggro. A half and half is most likely going to hurt your ability to have aggro. I would personally reccomend one or the other but not a split between them.

[Junts]

theres no reason to take both of these prcs ... almost none of their benefits stack, and the two stances are mutually exclusive

[Monkey_Archer]

Most abilities of the 2 Pres dont stack.. so it is better to get tier 3 of one instead of mixing. If you do want to get both fighter and paladin levels I would reccomend mixing in an offensive pre instead... like a Kensai/Defender of Syberis or a KOTC/Stalwart defender.

[ariel7]

Part of being the tank is having aggro. A half and half is most likely going to hurt your ability to have aggro. I would personally reccomend one or the other but not a split between them.

This is misleading and incorrect. Having levels in Paladin and Fighter both, even enough for both to qualify for the prestige enhancements, even an even split does not put a big hinderance on one's ability to hold aggro.

While the two are mutually exclusive due to specific action points pre reqs the idea isn't bad. Both have benefits at each level and the third tier isn't overwhelming either way. In fact, they are very similar. I designed my intim around a fighter 18 paladin 2 concept. I chose fighter for the intimidate bonuses and all the feats. Human allows for a racial ap line, but if were taking one or the other to level 18 (and may as well due to exclusivityBalsomasnstated you can't he in both stances at the same time) and taking advantage of the bonus 2 ac from the ring I'd certainly go fighter. Feats, intim and you're good. I had two levels of paladin and wis as a dumpstat using force of personality and paladin saves via divine grace. I have 42 blocking dr, mid 60's raw ac (more coming with gear upgrades) and no save under 25 - beholder.

[Junts]

If you are only going to tier 2, I suggest focusing in stalwart defender .. its tier 2 benefits outweigh the paladin's tier 2 benefits, though I think the paladin's tier 3 are comparable.

dr 4/- and +2 ac massively outweigh the benefits of the paladin's tier 2, though the tier 1 does provide another lay on hands which is excellent if you have good lays.

[ariel7]

If you are only going to tier 2, I suggest focusing in stalwart defender .. its tier 2 benefits outweigh the paladin's tier 2 benefits, though I think the paladin's tier 3 are comparable.

dr 4/- and +2 ac massively outweigh the benefits of the paladin's tier 2, though the tier 1 does provide another lay on hands which is excellent if you have good lays.

If you were starting with 12 fighter and stalwart defender two....would you finish out with six fighter two paladin or all fighter. I obv. Took the paladin levels (at 2 & 3) myself but curious as to what you'd do with the other 8 levels were you starting a new build.

[oberon131313]

doesn't seem anyone has actually answered the question posed by you, so:
No, you cannot take both armor boosts. Sorry.

As far as how to split it since you can't get both, that's a matter of preference, but I think that going stalwart 2/KOTC 1 would be overall better.

[SqtYork]

The defensive stance doesn't stack, and you can't even get both the Pal and Ftr AC boost enhancements. You take one and it counts as both. The natural immunity to fear and disease are nice. Combat Expertise is a stance too. The DR 4/- from having a shield equiped will be nice for grazing blows. The SD AC bonuses should stack with everything else since it is an untyped bonus. My intimidate with a +10 bonus item is 27.5 right now. I expect it to climb to 40+.

I have a dwarven AC tank I leveled to 7th Paladin to get the tier II AC aura bonus. Currently I'm 5/7. I am working on leveling fighter to either 12 or 13. I will probably end up with a 12/8 ftr/pal. With +5 MFP/+5MTS with alchemical enhancement, chaosguards, +3 prot ring, dodge feat, a parrying weapon and Combat Expertise I have a Beholder AC of 51. With the invader ring, +5 prot, SD II, and better dex item, and Green Steel Min II with +4 insight AC bonus, I will have an unboosted Beholder AC of at least 60. Maybe I could have min/max my dex a little better for a point or two more. I have 304 HP without buffs at 12th. I haven't eaten any +2 tomes yet either. So far my only real weakness is elemental damage and will saves. 12/8 let's me cast my own resist energy but only at 20 points of resistance. The most annoying thing about having such a high AC is that generally the only thing grazing hits for 1-4 pts, and those rare crits. Now with Minos Legos helm those are just regular hits.

[ariel7]

Yes combat expertise is a stance but it CAN be active at the same time as stalwart defender. Why are your will saves low on your 8 paladin?

If I were rerolling my intim I believe I would keep him 18 fighter 2 paladin. The feats are awesome and enable 42 blcking dr with my unbuffed 66 ac and 67 intim. (I have to verify exact #s but ac still has about 8 points to grow. I would also consider evasion as an option for the other two levels

[Reisz]

your best bet is to go 18 ftr/2 rog or 18 pal/2 rog

[Thanimal]

doesn't seem anyone has actually answered the question posed by you, so:
No, you cannot take both armor boosts. Sorry.

Is that a bug? That makes no sense to me. I can't think of any other pair of PrEs that are mutually exclusive, and that sure sounds like an accident that these are. Of course the *stances* would be mutually exclusive, but Stalwart I brings +1 AC and +2 Intim -- both nice from an action point efficiency perspective on an otherwise Paladin tank. Except apparently not possible!?

Is anyone aware of any dev comments on this?