DPS Trapmonkey Build

[Lothemos]

Hey guys. Unlocked Drow recently and I figured I would give a rogue a try in the character builder.

The thing is, I hate using piercing weapons. I always feel completely useless when I fight undead (due to the lack of sneak attack working, in addition to the high resistance to piercing on skeletons and zombies).

The idea of this build was to have something that is able to do pretty good sneak attack damage, but also upfront fighting.

My only concern is that it's too squishy. With only 16 Constitution, I picked Toughness and got the Racial and first tier of Fighter toughness feats, 260 hp without gear or spells.

Anyways, here's the build:

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Level 20 Chaotic Neutral Drow Female
(2 Fighter \ 18 Rogue) 
Hit Points: 260
Spell Points: 0 
BAB: 15\15\20\25\25
Fortitude: 12
Reflex: 17
Will: 5

                  Starting            Ending          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Stats         Base Stats         Modified Stats
Abilities        (Level 1)          (Level 20)           (Level 20)
Strength             16                 19                   20
Dexterity            16                 17                   22
Constitution         12                 16                   16
Intelligence         16                 16                   16
Wisdom                8                  8                    8
Charisma             10                 10                   10

Tomes Used
+1 Tome of Strength used at level 3
+1 Tome of Dexterity used at level 3
+1 Tome of Constitution used at level 3

                  Starting          Feat/Enhancement
                 Base Skills         Modified Skills
Skills           (Level 1)            (Level 20)
Balance               7                    29
Bluff                 0                     6
Concentration         1                     3
Diplomacy             4                     7
Disable Device        7                    27
Haggle                0                     0
Heal                 -1                    -1
Hide                  7                    37
Intimidate            0                     0
Jump                  7                    28
Listen               -1                     1
Move Silently         7                    37
Open Lock             7                    29
Perform               n/a                   n/a
Repair                3                     3
Search                7                    28
Spot                  3                    24
Swim                  3                     5
Tumble                7                    29
Use Magic Device      4                    23

Level 1 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking I
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training I
Enhancement: Rogue Hide I
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently I


Level 2 (Fighter)
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Oversized Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost I
Enhancement: Improved Spell Resistance I
Enhancement: Elven Enchantment Resistance I
Enhancement: Rogue Disable Device I


Level 3 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Khopesh
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity I


Level 4 (Fighter)
Ability Raise: STR
Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Weapon Focus: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Fighter Strength I


Level 5 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy I


Level 6 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Toughness
Enhancement: Rogue Damage Boost II
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing I
Enhancement: Racial Toughness I
Enhancement: Rogue Hide II
Enhancement: Rogue Move Silently II
Enhancement: Fighter Toughness I


Level 7 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity I
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking II
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training II


Level 8 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: CON
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin I


Level 9 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing II
Enhancement: Racial Toughness II


Level 10 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy II


Level 11 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity II


Level 12 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: CON
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Cripling Strike
Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Slashing Weapons
Enhancement: Elven Dexterity II


Level 13 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy III
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training III


Level 14 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin II


Level 15 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Greater Two Weapon Fighting
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Improved Evasion
Enhancement: Rogue Dexterity III


Level 16 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing III


Level 17 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Accuracy IV


Level 18 (Rogue)
Feat: (Selected) Dodge
Feat: (Rogue Bonus) Slippery Mind
Enhancement: Rogue Subtle Backstabbing IV


Level 19 (Rogue)
Enhancement: Rogue Sneak Attack Training IV


Level 20 (Rogue)
Ability Raise: STR
Enhancement: Rogue Faster Sneaking III
Enhancement: Rogue Assassin III

Thoughts? Khopesh is something I haven't really ever had a character use, and I figure it's better than focusing on a piercing weapon (though endgame dps may not be as good as a drow, since I could use a shortsword/rapier for the racial bonus) for enemies that can't be sneak attacked. Shrug.

Anyways, input is always welcome!

[Lothemos]

Although, looking at some other threads and looking back on it, I was really hard pressed to find any reason to splash fighter. I used Oversized TWF and Weapon Focus: Slashing as my fighter bonus feats, but if I were to roll this as a human I could likely manage to make it work just as well, without splashing the fighter levels. All I would lose from the Fighter side would be 10 HP and 1 strength... thoughts?

[QuantumFX]

Well, I wouldn't argue against the 19th level of Rogue but Fighter 1 gives you all the martial weapon proficiencies. For a strength build this offers more flexibility.

Examples:
More choices for pure vorpals than sickles.
Scimitar and Kukri - the other Weakening of Enfeeblers and Smiters.
Warhammer - Cause it's still better than a heavy mace.

[Lothemos]

Well I've decided to drop the extra level of fighter (more sneak attack damage that way, plus another rogue feat, too).

1 - TWF
2 (Fighter) - OTWF
3 - Khopesh
6 - Toughness
9 - ITWF
12 - Improved Crit: Slash
15 - GTWF
18 - ???

Thinking Dodge for the last one, or maybe Nimble Fingers/Skill Focus: UMD?

Rogue class feats are going to be:

10 - Crippling Strike
13 - Slippery Mind
16 - Improved Evasion
19 - Defensive Roll

Hard to tell what I'll need at what level, since my highest is currently level 8, but I suppose we'll see in the end.

[bandyman1]

Well, I wouldn't argue against the 19th level of Rogue but Fighter 1 gives you all the martial weapon proficiencies. For a strength build this offers more flexibility.

Examples:
More choices for pure vorpals than sickles. He's an assassin. ALL of his weapons are vorpals.
Scimitar and Kukri - the other Weakening of Enfeeblers and Smiters. Scimitars are going for as high as rapiers with the new Valenar enhancements for elves. So, really no gain other than kukri.
Warhammer - Cause it's still better than a heavy mace. Meh.

In red.

[bandyman1]

Well I've decided to drop the extra level of fighter (more sneak attack damage that way, plus another rogue feat, too).

1 - TWF
2 (Fighter) - OTWF
3 - Khopesh
6 - Toughness
9 - ITWF
12 - Improved Crit: Slash
15 - GTWF
18 - ???

Thinking Dodge for the last one, or maybe Nimble Fingers/Skill Focus: UMD?

Rogue class feats are going to be:

10 - Crippling Strike
13 - Slippery Mind
16 - Improved Evasion
19 - Defensive Roll

Hard to tell what I'll need at what level, since my highest is currently level 8, but I suppose we'll see in the end.

I'd go PA myself. Barring that; Pure rogues Achillie's heel is the will save. With a +2 tome and +6 item, you could floor a Cha of 18, helping your UMD, Diplo, and giving you a +4 to will saves with Force of Personailty.

I just noticed you put next to nothing as far as ranks in Diplomacy. You're going to want it on a rogue. Especially a Str-based one. Very badly.

[Lothemos]

I'd go PA myself. Barring that; Pure rogues Achillie's heel is the will save. With a +2 tome and +6 item, you could floor a Cha of 18, helping your UMD, Diplo, and giving you a +4 to will saves with Force of Personailty.

I just noticed you put next to nothing as far as ranks in Diplomacy. You're going to want it on a rogue. Especially a Str-based one. Very badly.

Noted. I'll raise Diplo in place of Jump, and put what's left over in Jump instead of the other way around.

PA? And yeah, I may take Force of Personality then, if I can manage a +2 charisma tome.

[QuantumFX]

Examples:
More choices for pure vorpals than sickles. He's an assassin. ALL of his weapons are vorpals. I’m certain that will help him out immensely between levels 10-18. Also, the only time that ability starts rocking on a STR build is when you have Radiance weapons.
Scimitar and Kukri - the other Weakening of Enfeeblers and Smiters. Scimitars are going for as high as rapiers with the new Valenar enhancements for elves. So, really no gain other than kukri. The cost of scimitars is still nowhere near as bad as rapiers. Rapiers = Bidding against every DEX and STR based character. Scimitars = Bidding against STR based characters. Also, in the case of WoE’s you’ve cut out all non melee splashed rogues.
Warhammer - Cause it's still better than a heavy mace. Meh. It’s still not a bad upgrade that comes free with any melee class splash. Martial Weapon Proficiency: Warhammer > Cheat Death.

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PA? And yeah, I may take Force of Personality then, if I can manage a +2 charisma tome.

PA = Power Attack. Yes, you will want this feat. Assassins build up a very high to hit with sneak attacks. So when you don't have sneak attack you have the bonuses to spend on this for extra damage. When you don't have sneak attack you’ll most likely see whiff messages until you score a crit with your radience II weapon or the monster goes to attack someone else.

Force of Personality. You need a 13 CHA to pick up this feat. If you’re willing to grab an INT tome from the DDOstore you could do a 15 INT/11 CHA at character creation to make this happen.

[Lothemos]

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PA = Power Attack. Yes, you will want this feat.
Force of Personality. You need a 13 CHA to pick up this feat. If you’re willing to grab an INT tome from the DDOstore you could do a 15 INT/11 CHA at character creation to make this happen.

What feat from the ones I listed would you suggest I drop? If I'm to take both Power Attack and Force of Personality.

[jeenne]

wrong area to post O_o sry

[bandyman1]

Warhammer>Cheat Death.

Warhammer>Cheat Death? Agreed.

Warhammer>The different capstones we've been told will be implemented? No way of knowing yet.