Rogue/Ranger vs Rogue/Wizard

[tuksonrider]

I'm excited that I'm going to be unlocking the Drow race soon, and really want to play a rogue class. I plan on making him a primary rogue class with a splash of either ranger or wizard.

I'm not concerned with high dps, but I would like twf and a useful UMD skill.

What are the Pros & Cons of the Rogue/Ranger vs Rogue/Wizard?

Also, how many levels of ranger or wizard would be most beneficial?

Last, at what levels should I pickup a ranger or wizard class?

[wamjratl1]

Splashing wiz on a rogue is pointless. Although splashing 1 lvl rogue on a wiz can be pretty decent cuz your Int will help with trap skills.

If you are determined to splash, i would go with 2 lvls of ranger. You get rapid shot, martial weapon profiencies, bow strength, two-weapon fighting, no fail cure wand useage, and maybe some other stuff I forgot. I splashed 2 rgr lvls on my rogue and the wand usage alone came in handy at low levels.

However, why do you want to splash (i did it cuz i didn't know as much as i do now)? At high lvls as a pure rogue, your UMD should let you have the wand usage and you'll get more sneak attack damage. The 2 ranger levels were helpful in low and mid-levels but now pretty much mean nothing. I might suggest a pure rogue if you really wanna play a rogue. Draccus?

[tuksonrider]

Mainly, for the TWF and wand usage. I''ve leaning more towards splashing ranger, but someone in-game mentioned wizard, so I thought I'd keep my options open.

I do like a pure rogue class, but not sure if it's viable for a group near level 20 without a splash of another class.

[knchmpgn]

Well, bot options are equally viable. I have a wiz/rogue that I love playing. I am going for that Arcane Trickster type build and he is eventually going to be 15 Rog/5 Wiz. It may not be the most powerful or uber build out there, but it is really fun.

[Djeserit]

Go ahead and try it, but I believe you will reroll pretty quick.

Wiz is pointless because with UMD you will be able to use everything soon enough, especially on a drow.

Ranger is pointless, you have plenty of feats as a rogue and don't need the free TWF feats. (The ranged combat feats are useless.)

However, since the rogue capstone is the worst in the game, you probably should multiclass. Consider the following:

2 Pal - strong saves and HP plus a little healing will help you solo a lot of material and make you a Very Clever Monkey.

1 Barbarian - speed boost + power attack = smack!

1 Fighter - just for the feat

1 Monk - Guess which class is leathal with bare hands? If you said monk, reroll. You get more sneak attacks while punching wind stance than any other style. Plus you get a free feat. Also complements acrobat nicely. Rogue+Monk = Yakusa enforcer... doitashima****e means don't touch my moustache.




And off topic... Drow suck, the good rogues are Halfling and Warforged.

[kiori]

Er wow are drow rogue really ****?, I to have unlocked drow and was going to make a pure rogue( read in another thread a long time player mentioning that new capstones would eventually arrive ).

I do find that a bit depressing as a new player having focussed on unlocking a race that is a 32 build( just some pts preset )

[foxx]

Mainly, for the TWF and wand usage. I''ve leaning more towards splashing ranger, but someone in-game mentioned wizard, so I thought I'd keep my options open.

I do like a pure rogue class, but not sure if it's viable for a group near level 20 without a splash of another class.

IN This case i would take at least 6 lvls ranger for the tempest .

as said by another wiz splashed with 1 or 2 lvls of rogues is called a trickster, very fun and viable toon.

[foxx]

Go ahead and try it, but I believe you will reroll pretty quick.

Wiz is pointless because with UMD you will be able to use everything soon enough, especially on a drow.

Ranger is pointless, you have plenty of feats as a rogue and don't need the free TWF feats. (The ranged combat feats are useless.)

However, since the rogue capstone is the worst in the game, you probably should multiclass. Consider the following:

2 Pal - strong saves and HP plus a little healing will help you solo a lot of material and make you a Very Clever Monkey.

1 Barbarian - speed boost + power attack = smack!

1 Fighter - just for the feat

1 Monk - Guess which class is leathal with bare hands? If you said monk, reroll. You get more sneak attacks while punching wind stance than any other style. Plus you get a free feat. Also complements acrobat nicely. Rogue+Monk = Yakusa enforcer... doitashima****e means don't touch my moustache.




And off topic... Drow suck, the good rogues are Halfling and Warforged.

ignore this post, it's all personal opinion with next to no fact.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

My main Char is a Rgr10/Rog4/Wiz5 currently. (going Rgr11)

While I wouldn't necessarily tell someone to copy my build, I will say that it is fun to play.

And my Drow Rog16 is great IMO. (that one I would recommend)

I have a Rgr6/Rog9 that I love. Tempest I/Asassin I right now. But I actually took the Rgr lvls to overcome a weaknes off my pure Rog. That weakness was the lack of an effective ranged attack. (ranged is weak in DDO, but hardly useless)

I have a few fledgling Rogs and Rgrs that I want to take Wiz5 or 7 on.

Common builds are Rgr##/Rog1 or Wiz##/Rog2. Both those are accepted as good DDO builds. The Rgr6/Rog## build is also generally thought of as decent.

If you splash only a few lvls of Wizard you have a lot of things to worry about.
In my case, I chose to just use my Wiz spells for buffs. That solves a lot of the problems with casting offensive spells with only a few Wizard lvls.

It is possible to cast a few spells effectively with just a few Wiz lvls, but it takes a very specific build to do it. My advice is learn the game a little better and plan that one out, if offensive casting is your goal.

[Djeserit]

Er wow are drow rogue really ****?,

In most applications, Drow is merely a speed bump on your way to 32pt. builds. If you check these forums, you will see very few builds for Drow, as most long-time players have better options.

As far as Drow rogues... For a good rogue you need to spread your stat points around. Mostly STR and CON, with just enough DEX to qualify for two weapon fighting (17 base DEX). Just enough INT to do traps, 12 base INT is plenty, if you have the right rogue items. WIS and CHA are of minimal benefit: WIS help your save and your AC if you are splashing Monk, CHA helps you UMD and social skills. But your UMD will soon be high enough even if you start at 6 CHA (WF or dwarf). So drow get bonuses in two stats you don't really need and a penalty in one you really do. Add that they have only 28 points to start and they are spread very thin. They don't get a damage bonus, AC bonus, save bonus, racial immunities or anything the other races get that might help a rogue.

Edit - I just realized that sounds very negetive, I'll try to rephrase it so the cup is half-full. Playing a Drow rogue is more challenging. If you want a challenge, play Drow. It's not a 'bad' race, just a more challenging one.

Drow make great Paladins though, especially Pal/Monk combo. And they make great Sorcs. The two classes that need a high CHA.

This is why the sale of 32pt. builds is such a sensitive issue on these forums. 32 pts. is a great benefit to most of the fun builds.

read in another thread a long time player mentioning that new capstones would eventually arrive ).

The last update took a year, most of the PREs haven't arrived yet, so we may wait a very long time for any new capstones. Even when the official announcement comes, new capstones will still be eons away. The only hope for deep rogues is that Acrobat III is more powerful.