Requesting help with a shuriken specialist(!)

[Fecerak]

Okay, then it is prolly a good idea, then... Only thing is that I'll have to have Quick draw earlier in the build...

Also, wouldn't a Rogue shuriken thrower be able to do at least decent damage with SA?

[Varr]

If you randomly apply stats and action points and pick your feats with your eyes closed you will make a mess of a character.....a bane to those you play with.

If the forums five best builders and the devs themselves go away for a weekend to construct the perfect thrower for you they will offer you a mess of a character....a bane to those you play with.

[Aerendil]

Hey, just think, when you hit endgame you can craft a greensteel shuriken and go from 1d2 base damage, to 1d3!

[spifflove]

str 14
dex 18 + level ups
con 12
intel 12
wis 12
char 10

Take the feats as listed.
Start with level 1 rogue.
After level 11 ranger you can choose whether or not to take the rest of levels rogue.

skilz
1.UMD
2.spot
3.search
4.disable
5.balance (wait for rogue levels to top up)
6.jump

Good luck. You will need it.

[The_Phenx]

Okay, then it is prolly a good idea, then... Only thing is that I'll have to have Quick draw earlier in the build...

Also, wouldn't a Rogue shuriken thrower be able to do at least decent damage with SA?

Within 30 feet and yes they do, BUT

If it were me.

I would do an elven 20th level elven arcane archer monk (or 18 monk 2 rouge gets you a 15% boost clickie to attack speed & some sa damage) with triple air stance with 10,000 stars (it will work eventually) Must take quickdraw and improved precise shot. I would look at doing a greensteel double shard shuriken with the disintegration effect on it... it is untyped damage and procs a reasonable ammount... contact Hasteclicky for details.

I would also look at acquiring the new arrowhead bobble... since it applies crippling on all ranged weapons.

But all that being said.. the dps is still going to be very poor. Solo play is out of the picture, uless you like running backwards for hours on end kiting mobs about.

If you get lucky and get a vorpal shuriken at least you will kill things 5% of the time, but you wont do anything against red/purple named bosses.

Until they fix 10,000 stars and/or give the option to twf with a returner in each hand it will never be a good option.

I would NOT go dex based... Dex adds to hit but not to damage... which you will sorely need. I would start with a reasonable dex to meet AA requirements, but no more... the to hit scores will be fine, youll be full BAB while centered using a monk weapon, and you can augment with the elven ranged enhancements if you find yourself missing. I would also see fi you can squeeze in some weapon focuses in your feats, since imp crit will be fairly pointless on a 1d2 weapon.

My $.02

[Aerendil]

If you get lucky and get a vorpal shuriken at least you will kill things 5% of the time, but you wont do anything against red/purple named bosses.

Y'know, there comes a time in any game when the developers must think to themselves "oh good lord, how could we have possibly created/overlooked this?!".

Vorpal shurikens are clearly one of those moments.




They're just wrong. On so many levels.

[tenketsu2]

You can use Shields together with throwing weapons... Why not go Stalwart Defender, make the best S&B (S in this case being Shuriken) you can? Put that Dex to use. Against trash, have fun tossing Vorpal Shurikens. Against bosses, Intimitank. It probably won't be a great character, but it might be more viable than most things you could do with Shurikens.

[The_Phenx]

HOWEVER MY BEST IDEA YET.

Since I have only posted one other its not hard.

MAKE a strength based Elven Kensaii III Arcane Archer 20th level fighter.

You would have WAY more than enough feats to throw around.

You would get a crit range improvement with imp crit throwing you'd be 18-20
all kinds of pre and post critical damage and to hit modifiers with kensai favored weapons.
Specalization and focus lines
10% alacrity bonus
8 charges of 30% alacrity boost from enhancements
Arcane Archer force augmentation
AND since your throwing you can augment with an offhand weapon... carry a seeker +10 item in your left hand.

It would be like 1d3 + 32 18-20 x 2 LOL then + 10 seeker on crits and the fighter stuff you might see 100+ point critical strikes... youd kinda suck against undead tho...

Combine that with a few other things and some well picked greensteel and you would be a star chucking fool.

Of course when they fix 10,000 stars...

[The_Phenx]

Y'know, there comes a time in any game when the developers must think to themselves "oh good lord, how could we have possibly created/overlooked this?!".

Vorpal shurikens are clearly one of those moments.




They're just wrong. On so many levels.

Think of it more like a frisbee with razorblade edges

[spifflove]

HOWEVER MY BEST IDEA YET.

Since I have only posted one other its not hard.

MAKE a strength based Elven Kensaii III Arcane Archer 20th level fighter.

You would have WAY more than enough feats to throw around.

You would get a crit range improvement with imp crit throwing you'd be 18-20
all kinds of pre and post critical damage and to hit modifiers with kensai favored weapons.
Specalization and focus lines
10% alacrity bonus
8 charges of 30% alacrity boost from enhancements
Arcane Archer force augmentation
AND since your throwing you can augment with an offhand weapon... carry a seeker +10 item in your left hand.

It would be like 1d3 + 32 18-20 x 2 LOL then + 10 seeker on crits and the fighter stuff you might see 100+ point critical strikes... youd kinda suck against undead tho...

Combine that with a few other things and some well picked greensteel and you would be a star chucking fool.

Of course when they fix 10,000 stars...

You will need a level of bard splash to make this work. When people invite you into their group they will be very upset. Unless you turn out to be a throwing tank.

[Aerendil]

You will need a level of bard splash to make this work. When people invite you into their group they will be very upset. Unless you turn out to be a throwing tank.

Bard might actually have the best shot at this, to be honest (no pun intended). At least then you could pass yourself off as a useful member of a team with your bard songs, haste, rage, focusing chant, etc.

Maybe go Spellsinger and sit in the back, throwing that small, spiky, very manly shuriken at your enemies when you get a chance in between buffs, heals, and so on.

[The_Phenx]

You will need a level of bard splash to make this work. When people invite you into their group they will be very upset. Unless you turn out to be a throwing tank.

1 level of bard... -10% alacrity... ?

I think people will be upset no matter what he does.. just trying for the most damage I can think of, combining all the Kensai and elven bonuses with the AA damage would be decent per hit damage, even against bosses.. might actually do 40-50 each hit base....its the rate of attack thats gonna make him suffer.

[Aerendil]

Think of it more like a frisbee with razorblade edges

Except that I almost feel sorry for any enemies that die to it. Imagine being this big, burly armoured Giant, who's ruled a clan for 200 years.


Your name forever shamed because you were killed by a 3 foot high Halfling with a vorpal shuriken.

[Pwesiela]

Except that I almost feel sorry for any enemies that die to it. Imagine being this big, burly armoured Giant, who's ruled a clan for 200 years.


Your name forever shamed because you were killed by a 3 foot high Halfling with a vorpal shuriken.

This alone may make this worth it.

[coolpenguin410]

Halfling is the way to go, and not just because of the throwing enhancements. The key is Halfling Guile.

Also, forget monk or ranger, go rogue. Either pure or with a single level splash of fighter. Pick up all the sneak attack damage enhancements. This is where your main damage will be from. Think about assassin, but I went acrobat with my thrower (axes, hammers, daggers and darts). He's not great, but he's fun every now and then.

Also, by going rogue you offer a lot more to the group by the way of trapsmithing, lock picking and UMD.

[The_Phenx]

Halfling is the way to go, and not just because of the throwing enhancements. The key is Halfling Guile.

Also, forget monk or ranger, go rogue. Either pure or with a single level splash of fighter. Pick up all the sneak attack damage enhancements. This is where your main damage will be from. Think about assassin, but I went acrobat with my thrower (axes, hammers, daggers and darts). He's not great, but he's fun every now and then.

Also, by going rogue you offer a lot more to the group by the way of trapsmithing, lock picking and UMD.

Sneak attack is a lot of damage... but it is situational... and you have to be close for it to work.. which as a ranged toon... eh...

[spifflove]

1 level of bard... -10% alacrity... ?

I think people will be upset no matter what he does.. just trying for the most damage I can think of, combining all the Kensai and elven bonuses with the AA damage would be decent per hit damage, even against bosses.. might actually do 40-50 each hit base....its the rate of attack thats gonna make him suffer.

You can get equipment for alacrity.

[Pwesiela]

You can get equipment for alacrity.

Jargundal's Collar is melee only as well, correct?

Edit: Yup, it is.

[spifflove]

there is an arcane archer set. Personally if someone forced me to play a shruken toon I would do the monk one and hope for a vorpal. At least that way you would still have a monk.

[Pwesiela]

there is an arcane archer set. Personally if someone forced me to play a shruken toon I would do the monk one and hope for a vorpal. At least that way you would still have a monk.

Or you can use a W/E shurikan with another bursting shurikan. Get the str to 0 then burst away. Wounding could work as well, since you lower their total hp some.

And I'm not selling my W/E shurikan. So you can forget it!