Ultimega 18/2 WF THF Pally/Rog

[Gercho]

yes it works

[deathtouch]

I've been meaning to ask - does LOH or Reconstruct work though Bladesworn?

" You have lost your spellcasting ability. You have immunity to critical hits and sneak attacks, but cannot be healed by healing spells."

LOH works, and incoming from other parties recon works fine. However you can't cast recon yourself.

[Stamp3de]

I tried converting this build to Half Orc but it's NOT worth it.
There is just not enough APs to fit in all the good Half Orc enhancements and keep all the Pally dmg enhancements.

I couldn't fit in :

Divine Might IV +8 dmg (2 more dmg than tier III)
Pally Capstone (1or3d6 vs E or EO)
Tier III KOTC (2d6 vs EO more than Tier II)
Divine Sacrafice III (9d6 Light dmg vs all, 2d6 more than Tier II)
Extra LoH Tier III

And you lose Bladesworn Transformation (+4 str and +4 dmg)

So you'd just gain +4 str, +4 dmg
+ better incoming heals

[Khellendros13]

Should I TR my barb into a Pally?

Would have 2x Fighter past life, 1x Barb past life...already have Lorinthors set, Epic SoS, DoD.

If you took the barb past life, would it be worth dropping GTHF for extend? Or is the past life rage under 2 mins?
Does the past life rage grant Dismiss Rage?

On a side note, you should TR to Half Orc....without the maxed Pally damage enhancements, you might not pull agro from main tanks as fast

[Stamp3de]

Should I TR my barb into a Pally?

Would have 2x Fighter past life, 1x Barb past life...already have Lorinthors set, Epic SoS, DoD.

If you took the barb past life, would it be worth dropping GTHF for extend? Or is the past life rage under 2 mins?
Does the past life rage grant Dismiss Rage?

On a side note, you should TR to Half Orc....without the maxed Pally damage enhancements, you might not pull agro from main tanks as fast

That's obviously a preference you'd have to make but I enjoy my pally a bunch. It's not max dps out of all the classes, but a good player + well built pally can definitely get right up there, and even ahead vs Evil Outsiders.

I think GTHF for extend is a decent trade imo, you'd trade off a bit of dmg, for not having to constantly recast DF and Zeal. (It's even worse now with ship buffs and the lack of active buffs fully displaying. I have to use the time remaining on other buffs to figure out when DF and Zeal run out :/) I'm actually thinking about switching it out myself.

Barb Past life feat is only 30 seconds (I know right? It should at the least me made to scale with ur con bonus. The Pally one scales per lvl, I don't see why this can't be similar.) I usually just save it for boss fights if I know I won't get a shrine before.

And ya lol, I wish they're were items with greater negative threat. Having to limit myself in ToD/Chrono if I'm not tanking is really starting to annoy me. This Epic SoS is a curse lol.
(And no I'm not trying to make it seem as if I'm so uber or anything lol)

I wish I could change into Half Orc tho, I really like their THF style.
DDO Devs need to raise the AP cap from 80 and maybe give 5 APs per level instead of 4. They keep releasing new enhancements and PrEs with barely enough space to put em.

[Khellendros13]

That's obviously a preference you'd have to make but I enjoy my pally a bunch. It's not max dps out of all the classes, but a good player + well built pally can definitely get right up there, and even ahead vs Evil Outsiders.

I think GTHF for extend is a decent trade imo, you'd trade off a bit of dmg, for not having to constantly recast DF and Zeal. (It's even worse now with ship buffs and the lack of active buffs fully displaying. I have to use the time remaining on other buffs to figure out when DF and Zeal run out :/) I'm actually thinking about switching it out myself.

Barb Past life feat is only 30 seconds (I know right? It should at the least me made to scale with ur con bonus. The Pally one scales per lvl, I don't see why this can't be similar.) I usually just save it for boss fights if I know I won't get a shrine before.

And ya lol, I wish they're were items with greater negative threat. Having to limit myself in ToD/Chrono if I'm not tanking is really starting to annoy me. This Epic SoS is a curse lol.
(And no I'm not trying to make it seem as if I'm so uber or anything lol)

I wish I could change into Half Orc tho, I really like their THF style.
DDO Devs need to raise the AP cap from 80 and maybe give 5 APs per level instead of 4. They keep releasing new enhancements and PrEs with barely enough space to put em.

Oh I have a TWF Human KotC, and I really like the class. Very survivable and great DPS in most end game...epics I use picks for trash.

It just seemed to me, combining WF and Pally would be pretty **** hard to kill, with very solid DPS using an ESoS.

If the rage only lasts 30s then I can't see myself bothering, the extra glancing blow in the atk chain is going to add up to a lot more DPS I think, especially with KOTC proccing on them.

Half Orc THF animation...I hate it lol and refuse to roll a THF Half Orc.

[Stamp3de]

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nvm

[Zodh]

Only mail knows what he meant to say ;P

Here is the message that has just been posted:
***************Shameless bump.***************

I gotta say, after playing a barbarian with 125 base damage and sick crits, I couldn't play my pally any more, so I've TRd him into a hooman pure bard 20, that can do ~75 base dmg with minII GSword self-buffed, has 507hp and can play a sub-healer in any raid: cure crit, 2 cure mass spells, not to mention heal scrolls.
Items, weapons, PL feat fit just perfect from that pally life.
Levelling was very easy and fun even for a double TR, best self-sufficient melee class I've played so far.
And as a warchanter he has more endgame use in the party, than a pally.
Sure pallys get smites, but heck, if you wanna do *real* dps, go a barbar ^.^
No regrets. Sorry, Ulti

[Stamp3de]

Lol why would u say sorry?
I can do over 100 base dmg buffed and that's still missing Epic Abashai set + Claw set.
But then again, base dmg isn't everything..
Wat was the point of ur post?
No one should roll pallies then because bards are a better fit in a party..?

I never once stated this build was the highest dps melee.
It's a high dps Paladin.

[Shade]

I never once stated this build was the highest dps melee.
It's a high dps Paladin.

ya the thing is turbine moved ur post to the barbarian forums cuz someone mistake u for a barb for doing so much dps lol

so now you will be compared to a barb no matter how high ur savaes a re or how many lay on hands you can cast =)

And yes, this tis the barb forums. They just named it wrong and accidently moved some other posts here grrrr.

If I renamed the class forums id go with:
Barbarians, Support Mleeeees, Trap crushers, Hasters, Healbots

[Zodh]

Naw, man, I was just sayin, that I like playing a bard more, than a "a high dps Paladin". Not to mention my barbar, melee fvs or a monk.

I was sorry, because I didn't want to offend your bulid, I was just expressing my opinion. It's my experience.

First I saw you in pvp, there I got inspired, madstone/zeal used to increase attacking speed, it was sick. So I rolled a pally - my first melee toon. Good times!

So were like a teacher to me and I felt like I betrayed you saying all this bad stuff. Yea, it's silly

But now... honestly, I don't see a reason to play a paladin at all.

About that >100bd... so you finally got eSoS eh

[Stamp3de]

Lol I still don't see the point of ur posts..
You post in a thread about a paladin build about how much more u like ur bard..?
How could u offend my pally build with comparing it to a bard? I'd understand if you compared it to another/better pally. Just because you don't see a reason to play paladins means no one should? Did you think I made this build just for u? :P

[Zodh]

I think you've missed the point:
Gnrl Zod 1st life - pally,
Gnrl Zod 2nd life - pally,
Gnrl Zod 3rd life - bard.
So it's not just a bard, it's a former paladin.
So consider this my feedback lol

[Stamp3de]

I think you've missed the point:
Gnrl Zod 1st life - pally,
Gnrl Zod 2nd life - pally,
Gnrl Zod 3rd life - bard.
So it's not just a bard, it's a former paladin.
So consider this my feedback lol

So ur feedback is about ur pally to bard tr? ...ok

[rabhus]

Hey, I'm new to Pally's and I've been wanting to roll a WF one for a while. This build (pure version) is looking very good to me. Just a couple of questions:

- We're skipping adamantine body feat, right?
- with 32 point build, the 8 int is giving me just 1 skill point per level as expected. Should I be worried about not investing skill points in jump or intimidate? How useful is concentration to a Paladin?

Thanks for the advice!

[Zodh]

Adamantine body is a waste, unless you want to make your armor look better (red dragon, for example).

Concentration is not that important, since there is nothing to interrupt - most of the spells you will be casting out of the combat.
I would start investing into UMD, then at lvl7 read +2 into tome and put extra point into balance (get up faster from knockdowns).
Intimidation is fun and jump is good to have (Morah's Belt - jump clicky works), so it's really up to you where to put this extra point.

[fyzikx]

I know you've stated that going Horc is not worth it, but IMO it is

Half Orc 32pt

Str-18
Dex-8
Con-14
Intel-6
Wis-8
Char-16

You can take all of the important Horc enhancements such as Orcish Melee II, Orcish Strength II, and all of the good Paladin enhancements, and all i had to do was only take Exalted Smite I because imo you don't need to spend that much AP on something that is so limited

On a side note, still wondering whether to go WF or Horc, how much more DPS does the +4 damage and the +4 strength equate to compared to the WF version 32pt build?

[fervidsea]

Hello, just looking for some general advice on a THF WF Paladin. I'm currently have a WF FvS on his second life and I really would like to tr into something else. I see that you are capable of soloing sins, but how well does the build perform primarly as a solo player? I would assume decent to great, but seening as I have never played a paladin I would have no clue.

Also, I have yet to aquire any epic gear, do you have any item/armor or weapon suggestions while leveling?

Thank you for your time.

[rhaos69]

hello everyone.....

Lately i was thinking of making a Horc capped paladin or 18paladin and 2 rogue /monk with epic antique greataxe....

How do you find this idea ??

[jaysupremido]

at what lvl will i get those rogue lvls?