Help with build - Drow 12-Ranger, 7-Bard, 1?

[llStarbladell]

So the idea is a Tempest 2 Ranger, who has self--heal, haste, and displacement.

Level 12 ranger for tempest 2, level 7 Bard for 2 level 3 spells (Haste, Displacement)

But, I am just not sure which 1 level splash is best?

The original thought was 1 Barbarian. But, what does that get me? 10% faster movement and 1or2 rages?

Fighter would give me an extra feat, Rogue would give me trap/lockpicking, Wizard would give me more spellpoints and an extra meta-feat, Sorcerer would give me alot more spell points.

He is a Drow. Here are my starting stats:
Strength 16
Dexterity 16
Constitution 10
Intelligence 10
Wisdom 10
Charisma 16

I realize that the Constitution is a little low, but I was hoping Self-Heals would make up for that.

I would prefer not to reroll, but if I did:
What would you do with the stats? What would you do for the 1 Level splash?

(I realize if I did the Rogue splash I should (Ideally} do it at level 1 for more skill points.

Any and all comments welcome.

[poonce]

Take 1 Rog Lvl imo, not even for the traps, the UMD would be the best reason imo. You dont need that much Char imo . . I'd put,

Str:16
Dex:14
Con:14
Int:12
Wis:10
Cha:10

this would be a rough guestimate for the 1 Rog lvl, dont plan on having all of the rog skills though, Just Open Lock and UMD would be great, self healing can also come from UMD, i.e Heal scrolls. You will get SP's from the Ranger Wis and the Bard Cha, so adding your stat items while leveling and getting the ending +6 Wis and +6 Cha items would be fine for your SP's imo.

Edit: You cant take Rog and Bard togather? Just tried to make a quick build for him and it wont let me add Bard in the Character Planner . .

[poonce]

Here man, start using this when planning your builds, It is probly the best tool you can have for ddo and its very easy to use.

http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO/DDOCharGen.html

[Thanimal]

Take 1 Rog Lvl imo, not even for the traps, the UMD would be the best reason imo.

Bards get UMD as a class skill. (Rogue still may be the right choice, but not to get UMD.)

You dont need that much Char imo . . I'd put,

Str:16
Dex:14
Con:14
Int:12
Wis:10
Cha:10

I definitely like the increased CON -- the build is in danger of being quite light of HP.

Edit: You cant take Rog and Bard togather? Just tried to make a quick build for him and it wont let me add Bard in the Character Planner . .

Definitely can mix Ranger/Rog/Bard, but you can't be Lawful. Perhaps that was the problem? Or maybe just a bug?

[whysper]

Take 1 Rog Lvl imo, not even for the traps, the UMD would be the best reason imo.

Bard already gets UMD as a class skill, it would be better to go 8 Bard if that were the only reason (and yes, you can be Bard/Rogue, though the former may not be Lawful, maybe that was your issue?)

The Cha is too high, but should probably leave some to do that whole casting thing: maybe drop it to 12 and put the spares into Con?

[Thanimal]

Here man, start using this when planning your builds, It is probly the best tool you can have for ddo and its very easy to use.

http://www.rjcyberware.com/DDO/DDOCharGen.html

Just one man's opinion, but I only find this tool useful for verifying a build. For planning one I need a lot more flexibility than this allows. Spreadsheets and plain old text files allow me see everything at once and try various tradeoffs until I think I have it about right, and then can check it in a "Character Builder" (though usually I'm too lazy by that point! ) I've never found a Builder program that really lets you experiment with your overall build plan. (Or more specifically, I haven't figured out how to use one effectively for that.)

[kingfisher]

i have fishwater, a medicine man build, human khopseh 12ranger/7bard/1barb (currently at 12/4/1) that is one of my favoraite toons to play. i will try to post the build at some point soon, but i can tell you this, your are going to be short on feats. if you want warchanter 1 you will have to drop either toughness or OTWF to get it (weap focus), maybe both if you want extend and dont have minII. forget about haste at such a short duration unless you are soloing. good hope and displacement are better in a party, imo.

so in short-
go human
32 point only (ie more con less int)
barb is just my favorite spalsh for the run speed and 2 rages, fighter gives a feat so thats good, rogue is a waste on this build imo, wiz is an option for the feat i guess, but i think you will be dissapointed later.

[poonce]

Spreadsheets isnt a tool though, I said its probly the best tool for ddo . .The program was made for ddo=ddo tool

Forgot that Bard gets UMD also, never built a Bard. . Maybe mix in Fighter then? Unless you actually want to Rog skills

[Thanimal]

Spreadsheets isnt a tool though, I said its probly the best tool for ddo . .The program was made for ddo=ddo tool

Spreadsheets are a tool. But anyhow this is way off topic, so I'll leave it at that. My apologies to the OP for both this and my previous digression.

[llStarbladell]

Spreadsheets are a tool. But anyhow this is way off topic, so I'll leave it at that. My apologies to the OP for both this and my previous digression.

Are you kidding me? With the amount of time and effort you put in helping everyone out, you are welcome to derail my threads any time.




Now back on topic--The whole point of this build was to roll a Drow....So human isnt an option.

My main is 2 rogue/5 fighter (going to be 2/18) So that is why I avoided the rogue splash in the beginning.

Some people just dont get that i just wanted evasion, I didn't want to be a trap monkey.


I have always wanted to start a bard, and I heard that Drows make good bards. So, I figured now is the right time. But, I tend to solo quite a bit. So pure Bard probably wouldnt work too well for me.

If anyone could point me in the direction of a Fighting Drow Build, I would be much appreciative.

Thanks for all your comments so far.

BTW, I love this game ! ! !

[Thanimal]

Are you kidding me? With the amount of time and effort you put in helping everyone out, you are welcome to derail my threads any time.

Thanks! I'll admit I appreciate the recognition, even though it just proves I need to spend less time on the forums!! Oh, and be careful what you wish for... I can digress with the best of 'em!

Now back on topic--The whole point of this build was to roll a Drow....So human isnt an option.

I have some "issues" with Drow -- almost every time I detail out a build I find a better race, even when limited to 28 points. Two big exceptions are Finesse Intimitanks (arguably a bad build concept, though I love mine) and Crowd-Control-Focused casters (for whom starting at 20 is very helpful).

Some people just dont get that i just wanted evasion, I didn't want to be a trap monkey.

That's always been a sensible build decision. And when the rest of the levels are Fighter, anybody expecting you to do traps is not very expert on builds!

I have always wanted to start a bard, and I heard that Drows make good bards. So, I figured now is the right time. But, I tend to solo quite a bit. So pure Bard probably wouldnt work too well for me.

The refrain "Drow make good Bards" is widely stated, but (in my opinion) is a bit misleading. If you want a CC-focused Spellsinger Bard, then a Drow with starting CHA of 20 reigns supreme. But for most other Bard builds a different race will emerge as superior: Human, Halfling, and Dwarf seem to be the most common "winners," and it's even arguable WF is the best *pure* DPS Bard.

BTW, I love this game ! ! !

GREAT NEWS!