RE: Patch 9.1's TWF changes

[Monkey_Archer]

That's not 100% true. A lot of those single handed weapons are considered junk by most of the playerbase, and should be viewed as such for the purpose of "balancing the loot drops". (Same goes for crappy two-handed weapons like greatclubs.) Also, the main source of weapons at the moment (Shroud's crafting) does not behave in that manner: it's twice longer equipping a TWF characters than a THF one.

true, but that leaves 3 2-handed weapons (greataxe, greatsword, falchion) that are considered good... and 8 1-handed weapons (khopesh, bastard sword, Daxe, rapier, scimitar, kukri, heavy pick, light pick) that are considered good...

[Angelus_dead]

and 8 1-handed weapons (khopesh, bastard sword, Daxe, rapier, scimitar, kukri, heavy pick, light pick) that are considered good...

You used "bastard" and "good" together. Failed...

[Borror0]

true, but that leaves 3 2-handed weapons (greataxe, greatsword, falchion) that are considered good... and 8 1-handed weapons (khopesh, bastard sword, Daxe, rapier, scimitar, kukri, heavy pick, light pick) that are considered good...

Several tricks can be used to make more weapons matter, therefore reducing the demand for some weapons.

Need an example? Whirlwind Steel Strike.

You used "bastard" and "good" together. Failed...

LOL

[Monkey_Archer]

need i remind you two what the highest dps 1-handed weapon is on high 50%+ fortification targets is?

[Borror0]

need i remind you two what the highest dps 1-handed weapon is on high 50%+ fortification targets is?

9*1.05+1.05x=5.5*1.15+1.15x
9.45+1.05x=6.325+1.15x
3.125=0.10x
x=31.25

I think khopesh wins out. Well, unless your melee has really low base damage.

[Monkey_Archer]

9*1.05+1.05x=5.5*1.15+1.15x
9.45+1.05x=6.325+1.15x
3.125=0.10x
x=31.25

I think khopesh wins out. Well, unless your melee has really low base damage.

I did say 50%+ (empasise the "+").... 31.25 is kind of low for a buffed melee, but unbuffed... uh... battle clerics, rogues, etc... might not reach that...

75% fort
9*1+1x = 5.5*1.05+1.05x
9+1x = 5.775+1.05x
3.225=0.05x
x=64.5

[Borror0]

I did say 50%+ (empasise the "+").... 31.25 is kind of low for a buffed melee, but unbuffed... uh... battle clerics, rogues, etc... might not reach that...

I doubt those builds would have room for bastard swords.

75% fort

We all know how common that is...

[Angelus_dead]

I doubt those builds would have room for bastard swords.

Furthermore, if there was a mob with 75% fort, it is likely to also have enough AC that clerics, rogues, etc have trouble hitting it. That means that any weapon matching a class or racial attack enhancement would be more powerful than bastard: longsword, shortsword, scimitar, rapier, and handaxe.

It's also possible that against those monsters, a longsword + Weapon Focus feat would do better than bastard + Bastard Proficient feat.

Anyway, here is another balance factor to consider:
The original release of DDO included a design flaw: because of the critical power of khopesh, strength TWF and S&B are the only styles that can really benefit from an exotic proficiency feat (well, ranged can too sorta). THF and finesse TWF/S&B cannot. The game balance would improve if a DPS-boosting feat were offered for the non-khopesh styles as compensation.

In the original D&D, an exotic 1h weapon wouldn't give you any better DPS than a scimitar or rapier.

[Monkey_Archer]

I doubt those builds would have room for bastard swords.

We all know how common that is...

elementals, portals, golems, some pitfiends, undead, sorjek, etc...