Please Remove Firewall Spell

[Lerincho]

Seriously, maybe you think firewalls are ok because you are a caster who does ridiculous ******** amounts of damage, but if you tank like me I can’t even get to the monsters because they die instantly as soon as they hit the fire. In some quests I don’t even bother swinging because I never get a chance to get to the monsters in time or before they die because of this spell. I suggest removing the spell completely from the game to balance combat.

and your suggest would not balance combat, it would just make it even more melee intensive than it already is. so because you're tank is too slow running wise you want to nerf everyone else?


reroll

[Sohryu]

and your suggest would not balance combat, it would just make it even more melee intensive than it already is. so because you're tank is too slow running wise you want to nerf everyone else?


reroll

But that's what today's society teaches us, isn't it? "It's not my problem, it's everyone else's! So the world must bend to suit ME!"

[Mercules]

heighten doesnt work on grease

You are correct, compendium states it doesn't. It SHOULD though, any spell with a Save should allow Heighten.

[Aspenor]

Seriously, maybe you think firewalls are ok because you are a caster who does ridiculous ******** amounts of damage, but if you tank like me I can’t even get to the monsters because they die instantly as soon as they hit the fire. In some quests I don’t even bother swinging because I never get a chance to get to the monsters in time or before they die because of this spell. I suggest removing the spell completely from the game to balance combat.

I suggest you actually play the whole game before making bad suggestions.

[Draclaud]

OP, You're going to love "Wail of the Banshee"...Of course if you're patient you get to be king again in Shavarath. Relax, the game is pretty balanced overall.

[Cleitanious]

Don't nerf Wall of Fire, just give monsters a a random chance based on INT score to avoid the fire.

[Hendrik]

OP, You're going to love "Wail of the Banshee"...Of course if you're patient you get to be king again in Shavarath. Relax, the game is pretty balanced overall.

And then get totally ****ed off when the CLR decimates his kill count with Implosion...

That will be a funny thread to read as well...

[Kistilan]

I suggest you actually play the whole game before making bad suggestions.

I'm trying... It's hard though. These Archmagi guys won't take me to the end part of the game.

[miceelf88]

There are always going to be these dumb suggestions as soon as someone bumps up against other people's playstyles that don't allow them to be king of the world.

Remember the pleas from some casters to remove haste from the game because people were asking them to cast it?

Funny how you don't see fighter types pleading for the removal of greater command (also a very powerful spell in the right context). Why? Because they get to kill the helpless mobs in that case.

They've already nerfed FW plenty. The mobs in necropolis aren't all affected by it. (that was one of the nerfs that defied logic). And there used to be an ACTUAL exploit one could do with it, involving disregarding line of sight rules).

I'm all for AI improvements, but the firewall casting mage is disadvantaged in other ways: he doesn't have a limitless amount of castings, unlike melee types. mobs that have evasion or fire resistance are essentially immune. And enemy casters DO have limitless SP, giving them an advantage over PC casters that mob melees don't have over PC melees.

[Mani]

Here is the tactic used for about 50% of the quests in the game… run to the door, fighters are ordered to shield block, and the caster casts a wall of fire on us. Then all the monsters are dragged into the fire and poof! All dead. I mean I get grief from party leaders for just shield bashing while they cook. What kind of fun is that? Next time I’m ordered to just stand and shield block, I may accidently lower my shield for a second and let a troll creep through to take a one shot off on the caster.

[Lerincho]

Here is the tactic used for about 50% of the quests in the game… run to the door, fighters are ordered to shield block, and the caster casts a wall of fire on us. The all the monsters are dragged into the fire and poof! All dead. I mean I get grief from party leaders for just shield bashing while they cook. What kind of fun is that? Next time I’m ordered to just stand and shield block, I may accidently lower my shield for a second and let a troll creep through to take a one shot off on the caster.

you really play with some lame parties, ebcause that isn't even close to how this game is played anymore. that was Mod 4 and 5 tactics. game has evolved passed this.

don't like the tactics by party leaders, form your own party and create your own rules. Keep suggestion like this to yourself on removing a spell.

[Yshkabibble]

Well if everyone is so educated on wall of fire… Then explain to me how a skinny butt 6 con elf can out dps my big bad momma dwarven fighter who happens to have fire on her weapons too? If turbine doesn’t remove wall of fire from the game then at least let the caster cast wall of fire on the crucible outside so we can watch the monsters cook in the dungeon and be done with the **** quest!

Explain to me how an 8 intelligence 4ft tall midget with a sword can out kill my Super Genius Elf wielding the power of cleansing flame?

[dharq]

There are always going to be these dumb suggestions as soon as someone bumps up against other people's playstyles that don't allow them to be king of the world.

Remember the pleas from some casters to remove haste from the game because people were asking them to cast it?

Funny how you don't see fighter types pleading for the removal of greater command (also a very powerful spell in the right context). Why? Because they get to kill the helpless mobs in that case.

They've already nerfed FW plenty. The mobs in necropolis aren't all affected by it. (that was one of the nerfs that defied logic). And there used to be an ACTUAL exploit one could do with it, involving disregarding line of sight rules).

I'm all for AI improvements, but the firewall casting mage is disadvantaged in other ways: he doesn't have a limitless amount of castings, unlike melee types. mobs that have evasion or fire resistance are essentially immune. And enemy casters DO have limitless SP, giving them an advantage over PC casters that mob melees don't have over PC melees.

Infinite SP for loss of wall of fire.

I'll take that trade any day! Where do I sign up?

Mani, you sound like a real peach of a player.. All about you, not about the team at all. By the way, did you realize you usually need a team and team work to survive in this game yet?

Maybe next run your healer will "forget" to toss some heals on your worthless behind when you run ahead of the group and pull aggro from a whole room when the rest of the team isn't ready.

Oh wait, that would just make you b**** more because the healers don't know their place now...

[Lerincho]

Explain to me how an 8 intelligence 4ft tall midget with a sword can out kill my Super Genius Elf wielding the power of cleansing flame?

simple. the shorty cut off the head of the elf by swinging wildly and did not notice.




NOW, aren't we thankful that friendly fire is off in this game. :P

[Lerincho]

Infinite SP for loss of wall of fire.

I'll take that trade any day! Where do I sign up?

Mani, you sound like a real peach of a player.. All about you, not about the team at all. By the way, did you realize you usually need a team and team work to survive in this game yet?

Maybe next run your healer will "forget" to toss some heals on your worthless behind when you run ahead of the group and pull aggro from a whole room when the rest of the team isn't ready.

Oh wait, that would just make you b**** more because the healers don't know their place now...

anyone know what server master mani is on?

[Roman]

If the AI was good enough to recognise "OUCH, FIRE BAAAD!", then it wouldn't be a problem.

So true. Other than undead, no mob should be dumb enough to willingly stand in a wall of fire.

[Hendrik]

Here is the tactic used for about 50% of the quests in the game… run to the door, fighters are ordered to shield block, and the caster casts a wall of fire on us. Then all the monsters are dragged into the fire and poof! All dead. I mean I get grief from party leaders for just shield bashing while they cook. What kind of fun is that? Next time I’m ordered to just stand and shield block, I may accidently lower my shield for a second and let a troll creep through to take a one shot off on the caster.

LOL.

That's not an issue with Wall of Fire, that's an issue with unoriginal, lemming, herd mentality and the inability to think.

Drop group and find another next time. Do not suggest removal of a Spell due to party ignorance.

[Raelg14]

Holy **** this thread is still going??? Let it go man, let it go. Wait until you get to higher levels and the Sorc, Wiz, Cleric, or FvS are one shot killing things with FOD, PK, Destruction, WoB. LOL

[Aranticus]

So true. Other than undead, no mob should be dumb enough to willingly stand in a wall of fire.

you should see how dumb some players are then....


"oh you mean thats not our <insert AOE>?"

[Lerincho]

So true. Other than undead, no mob should be dumb enough to willingly stand in a wall of fire.

FYI or background information. they have adjusted mob AI and they no longer just sit in the firewall as they use to. now they actively try to avoid it; however, they are obsessed with killing you, so if you are running in and out of the firewall they follow because #1 priority is your death, not the preservation.