BAB Speed in Patch 1

[Impaqt]

This has made playing a new character incredibly not fun.

I dont so much mind the overall slower speed except for one minor detail.

Mobs have not been effected at ALL by this change. They still attack just as fast as they ever did.

If your going to rebalance how fast we attack, you NEED to rebalance how fast we are getting hit as well. Its just silly to see CR.25 Kobolds hitting me twice for every swing I can get off.

how exactly are mobs that should have the same or lower BAB as me be attacking so much faster?

Balanceing out the broken combat system by reducing everyone to the least common denominator has got to be on the list of the worst ideas in DDO.

If our attack speed is going to remain so slugish, please adjust the mobs down to compensate.

One of the things I really enjoy about this game is rolling new characters. Leveling them up. Seeing the entire game from the viewpoint of a different playstyle....

This change makes me not want to play my lowbies at all.. and I spent points to get extra slots in order to make more characters with Mod 9. Feeling a bit taken advantage of right now to be honest.

Real Time Combat should not be We swing Reallly Really Slow while the mobs we face swing and cast Really really fast. I honestly had more fun with my lotrO or AoC Lowbies than I am with my DDO Lowbies now. Thats just wrong.

[Memnir]

/signed 100%

[Borror0]

I'm not sure why you felt the need to start another thread about the topic. There are already several threads discussing this. You could just have picked one.

[Impaqt]

I'm not sure why you felt the need to start another thread about the topic. There are already several threads discussing this. You could just have picked one.

because this is an important topic. The more attention the threads get the better. Plus, I always feel My opinions deserve their own thread.

[Memnir]

Because Eladrin said if we "felt slighted" by the changes, they'd notice and adjust it over time. People feel way beyond slighted by this, and the change needs to happen rather quickly. I hope the Devs are noticing.

More posts means more visibility on the topic, particularly people's unhappiness with the changes, and I'm all for it.

[lazlow]

/signed

between this change and this awful and annoying "mousegate" business i find the game near unplayable in its current state.

fix this please as its ra*ing my enjoyment level and even cr*ck wont work (level 3 atm)

laz

[dopey69]

thanx for writing this post! this has been the absolute worst idea turbine has ever had...ever and i have been here long enough to see a few! again thanx for this post 100% /signed and you saved me a lot of typeing too
/signed/signed/signed....and i have to spread some **** reputation around! grrrrr

[cdbd3rd]

....

This change makes me not want to play my lowbies at all...

I have to agree with that exact sentiment - and as badly as I wanted to kick Kargoth's ass for being gone for so long, after two runs I just logged off.

The combo of that with the new mouse control changes... just

[KoboldKiller]

What's the mouse issue as I didn't see any changes with my setup anyway.

[Hokiewa]

Because Eladrin said if we "felt slighted" by the changes, they'd notice and adjust it over time. People feel way beyond slighted by this, and the change needs to happen rather quickly. I hope the Devs are noticing.

More posts means more visibility on the topic, particularly people's unhappiness with the changes, and I'm all for it.

agreed. I've stopped trying to make sense of every tweak/twitch/adjustment. I do like the part in the release notes "animation speeds have been adjusted", not "slowed to a snail's pace".

[cdbd3rd]

I'm not sure why you felt the need to start another thread about the topic. There are already several threads discussing this. You could just have picked one.

Hopefully after enough threads are running about it, they'll let us know they're paying attention to the issue by combining the threads and... well, whatever they do after doing that. Reading it all, hopefully maybe?

[Borror0]

Because Eladrin said if we "felt slighted" by the changes, they'd notice and adjust it over time. People feel way beyond slighted by this, and the change needs to happen rather quickly. I hope the Devs are noticing.

More posts means more visibility on the topic, particularly people's unhappiness with the changes, and I'm all for it.

I don't see the difference between posting all the anger in one thread or posting a thousand threads about the topic, except that the latter makes it harder to gather feedback. Now, if the thread about the topic got derailed, I'd see the point - but that didn't happen.

Hopefully after enough threads are running about it, they'll let us know they're paying attention to the issue by combining the threads and... well, whatever they do after doing that. Reading it all, hopefully maybe?

Personally, I prefer closing threads than merging them. Merges lead to ugly aberration while closing threads moves the discussion to one spot.

Also, it's been less than a day since the change went live. I think they need a little more time before coming up with promise of change.

[cdbd3rd]

What's the mouse issue as I didn't see any changes with my setup anyway.

Only affects some of us with certain playstyle, particularly flipping back & forth between mouselook and not.

This thread:
http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=201277

[Dirac]

In principle, I like the idea behind the changes. The situation we had before where lower BAB, breaking chains, and different weapons could get more dps because of animations was one of the worst aspects of the game at this time.

This is not to say Impaqt is wrong. I haven't played lowbies, but I'm hearing many horror stories. Even high level people are upset. However, at this point, small changes are in order. I would suggest waiting a few days for people to become more used to their sluggish characters, and then a hotfix to up everyone's speed a small amount. Then gauge how it feels. If it is still sluggish, another bump.

[Memnir]

Logically, you are right Borror. Problem is, when people are angry logic often does not factor into the equation. And people are indeed angry over this. Impaqt at least made this a well thought out critique of the changes - and did not just post a "This suxors! Change it back!" kind of thing.

I think it says a lot for how the game as a whole is reacting that a wide range of player types feel the need to complain about it. No, how many different player types hate the change.

And, unless Turbine feels the need to collect all the assorted threads on the topic into one mega-thread as they have in the past... people will continue to voice their personal opinions on the matter how the feel its best to do so. Personally, I'm hoping they do amass a mega-thread, because then I'd know they are paying attention.

[Gol]

The single most compelling reason I play DDO (that is, fast paced interactive combat) is now a shell of it's former self. I play characters through Waterworks all the time just because I like the feel of the game at lower levels. That, sadly, is just flat out gone now.

I'm not mad at all, honestly. I'm just a bit saddened to see the single best feature of the game completely stripped and taken out without a single warning or any feedback at all from the players.

I saw Borror0 claim credit for the idea, and I remember thinking it was bad when he first posted it (and even worse when Eladrin replied). I blame Borror0 - <tongue in cheek>under the bus with you.</tongue in cheek>

[Borror0]

In principle, I like the idea behind the changes. The situation we had before where lower BAB, breaking chains, and different weapons could get more dps because of animations was one of the worst aspects of the game at this time.

This is not to say Impaqt is wrong. I haven't played lowbies, but I'm hearing many horror stories. Even high level people are upset. However, at this point, small changes are in order. I would suggest waiting a few days for people to become more used to their sluggish characters, and then a hotfix to up everyone's speed a small amount. Then gauge how it feels.

Note to self: +rep that post in 24 hours.

[Galtron]

/signed.

I feel this topic needs to be given as much attention as possible.

[cdbd3rd]

Personally, I prefer closing threads than merging them. Merges lead to ugly aberration while losing threads moves the discussion to one spot.

Also, it's been less than a day since the change went live. I think they need a little more time before coming up with promise of change.

I hear ya, on both counts.

Closing threads with referrals to an 'official' thread would work - letting us know we have their attention.

(Disclaimer: I post such without having looked to see if today's hotfix is anything relevant.)

[Gorstag]

/signed