Cloudkill - Or should I say cloudstun?

[Hreidmar]

Okay guys - I really want to know why Cloudkill was nerfed so badly. If you want to nerf the WoPs, that is one thing that we can probably work around. But COME ON! The soul purpose of cloudkill is to do just that: KILL when the target reaches zero con. Yeah yeah yeah, I know that you added acid damage per second to the spell - but even if you're specced in acid it still doesn't beat a firewall. Why the change?

Casters unite! I can't be the only one who thinks that this is a total misuse of nerfing power!

[Asketes]

i'm sry what was nerfed about it?

[Hreidmar]

i'm sry what was nerfed about it?

The purpose of cloudkill originally was to do dot to the targets constitution. Meaning when it hit zero it was dead. However, they nerfed stat reduction and now when a target hits zero he is simply stunned for 30secs.

[Asketes]

not to be rude,

but my caster could take out ANYTHING in this game if i had an auto-crit stunned toon for 30 seconds.

whip up masters touch, my 24 str, and either:

dual wield: seeker +8 heavy pick & my holy burst heavy pick of maiming

OR

+3 holy burst greatsword of maiming


it ain't that hard.


BTW i'll take all those WoP's you think are nerfed too.. i'll even pay for you to mail em to me


BTW even though they don't stack.. using acid fog on top of cloudkill works well for the slowing of the mob. i even throw in acid rain (it's a nice DoT, that does stack) as well.

[Monkey_Archer]

While i agree with the con nerf, and understand why it happened, i do also agree with the OP that cloudkill was meant to kill things.... slowly... but kill them none the less...
low acid damage, that doesnt stack with other sources of acid damage does not kill things...

Personally, i think CK should be kept the way it is now, exept allow it to be max/empowered. Even with max/empower its still weaker then firewall (in most cases)

[sephiroth1084]

not to be rude,

but my caster could take out ANYTHING in this game if i had an auto-crit stunned toon for 30 seconds.

whip up masters touch, my 24 str, and either:

dual wield: seeker +8 heavy pick & my holy burst heavy pick of maiming

OR

+3 holy burst greatsword of maiming


it ain't that hard.


BTW i'll take all those WoP's you think are nerfed too.. i'll even pay for you to mail em to me


BTW even though they don't stack.. using acid fog on top of cloudkill works well for the slowing of the mob. i even throw in acid rain (it's a nice DoT, that does stack) as well.

First, you should go get yourself a Dreamspitter. Sure, you may have some Str on your caster, but the neg levels on auto-crits will probably kill whatever you paralyze, stun or stone much faster.

Second, I'm not sure, but I believe I may have noticed some "stacking" problems w/ Acid Fog and Cloudkill, where one will negate the damage of the other. Not sure though--just recall dropping an Acid Fog on Harry, noticing a couple of ticks of damage, then I dropped a CK for the miss % and didn't see any more Acid Fog ticks for the remainder of the fight. I may have just missed them, but I'm not sure.

[Asketes]

First, you should go get yourself a Dreamspitter. I have it, and love it. don't use it much. but it is sweet. Sure, you may have some Str on your caster, but the neg levels on auto-crits will probably kill whatever you paralyze, stun or stone much faster it depends, when you hit stuff for like 250+ a lot of the times my picks can out-dps my dreamspitter. HOWEVER, since one is a puncturer i haven't given them a go lately. idk if i was killing the mobs due to 0 con or via hp loss. the higher lvl mobs heck yeah you make a great point.. **time to dust off that dreamspitter**

Second, I'm not sure, but I believe I may have noticed some "stacking" problems w/ Acid Fog and Cloudkill, correct, i believe you only get the acid damage from just one of them, but acid rain does stack. where one will negate the damage of the other. Not sure though--just recall dropping an Acid Fog on Harry, noticing a couple of ticks of damage, then I dropped a CK for the miss % and didn't see any more Acid Fog ticks for the remainder of the fight. I may have just missed them, but I'm not sure.

my comments in red above. +1 rep for the nice info Seph

[Monkey_Archer]

First, you should go get yourself a Dreamspitter. Sure, you may have some Str on your caster, but the neg levels on auto-crits will probably kill whatever you paralyze, stun or stone much faster.

Second, I'm not sure, but I believe I may have noticed some "stacking" problems w/ Acid Fog and Cloudkill, where one will negate the damage of the other. Not sure though--just recall dropping an Acid Fog on Harry, noticing a couple of ticks of damage, then I dropped a CK for the miss % and didn't see any more Acid Fog ticks for the remainder of the fight. I may have just missed them, but I'm not sure.

No sources of acid damage stack... this is the biggest problem with acid spec'd casters. Even a stupid livewood bow can cause problems with casters that use acid spells

[sephiroth1084]

my comments in red above. +1 rep for the nice info Seph

Thanks bud.

No sources of acid damage stack... this is the biggest problem with acid spec'd casters. Even a stupid livewood bow can cause problems with casters that use acid spells

My concern wasn't that they don't stack, but that since monsters immune to poison are also immune to the acid damage from CK, throwing a CK in with an AF will override the damage of the AF, since they won't stack, but then will do none of its own damage.

[Mindspat]

Cloudkill rocks and there's nothing you can do to make me believe otherwise!

You might not realize it but Cloudkill deffinitely kills some mobs dead as soon as they touch it.

[Asketes]

No sources of acid damage stack... this is the biggest problem with acid spec'd casters.

you are forgetting acid rain. you will take acid damage from acid fog and the acid rain together.

[Hreidmar]

For all your posting all of you are forgetting the very purpose I started this thread. CloudKILL is supposed to offer you a way to slowly kill off your target - This is used strategically in many situations. It's not all about dps and crits folks - obviously nobody here cares about the strategy of the game anymore. YES, when all you do is dps - there is no point to CK. However, what about those times when the party needs to sit back and let something bake - CK was the tool to use. I just can't believe that it was nerfed so badly. Again I DON'T GIVE A DARN ABOUT YOUR DPS ARGUMENTS! This thread was started to address the issue that yes indeed, CK was nerfed. Plain and simply. Don't like it? Then please don't reply.

[Hreidmar]

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