Allow anyone to learn Dismiss Charm

[Angelus_dead]

Recently the Dismiss Charm feat was added to level 1 Bard, Wizard, and Sorcerer, so they can cancel a control spell on a monster (when you want to kill it). Since those arcane classes make the most use of charm/dominate effects, it's understandable that other classes wouldn't have been burdened with the complexity of having an icon that they can't usually use.

However, there are reasons any character could charm a monster, and thus want to dismiss it:
* Ranger animal empathy
* Cleric/FVS Symbol of Persuasion
* FVS Command Undead
* UMD + Charm/Dominate scroll
* Wolf Whistle necklace

So, the suggestion: Give a dialog option to some magician NPC where for a fee of 100 gp, he teaches you Dismiss Charm

That way new players aren't confused by seeing that feat icon, unless they went out trying to get it.

[Rav'n]

/Not signed

Why? While the reasons you posted are plausible. I'd rather not have a Charmed Army Dispelled by someone else because he doesn't like the fact that I have a Charmed Army... thus wasting MY Spell Point Use.

[Lithic]

I could see adding it to clerics and favored soul since they can have charm spells.


The rest is reaching IMO. Anything UMDd won't have a long enough duration to bother with, and isn't likely to land anyway, and the ranger thing... well how often do rangers actually charm animals, and then regret it later?

[Angelus_dead]

I'd rather not have a Charmed Army Dispelled by someone else

Can Dismiss Charm actually do that?

[Xaearth]

/Not signed

Why? While the reasons you posted are plausible. I'd rather not have a Charmed Army Dispelled by someone else because he doesn't like the fact that I have a Charmed Army... thus wasting MY Spell Point Use.

Doesn't work that way. Or at least my wiz wasn't able to dismiss the mobs persuaded by the cleric's symbol.

[sephiroth1084]

Can Dismiss Charm actually do that?

I was under the impression that it only worked on your own charms.

[Talon_Moonshadow]

My Rgr/Wiz tried to dismiss my own improved wild empathy and that didn't work.

[Freeman]

Why do so few people carry Dispel (Or Greater Dispel), either on wands or the spell itself? It works great for breaking those pesky charms. It also works well when combined with summoned monsters and AFK party members.

[Lithic]

Why do so few people carry Dispel (Or Greater Dispel), either on wands or the spell itself? It works great for breaking those pesky charms. It also works well when combined with summoned monsters and AFK party members.

Globe of invulnerability is better. Just carry a scroll and it dispels all charms up to dominate person withought a check.

[sirgog]

Why do so few people carry Dispel (Or Greater Dispel), either on wands or the spell itself? It works great for breaking those pesky charms. It also works well when combined with summoned monsters and AFK party members.

It doesn't work well at all for breaking charms - a level 20 caster has a 20% chance to dispel their own charms with Greater Dispelling and no chance with Dispel Magic at all.

Lower level casters never have more than a 45% chance.

[Freeman]

It doesn't work well at all for breaking charms - a level 20 caster has a 20% chance to dispel their own charms with Greater Dispelling and no chance with Dispel Magic at all.

Lower level casters never have more than a 45% chance.

Hmm, the Dispel check should be 11 + caster level. For a level 20 caster, that should mean a DC of 31 on a Dispel check. Regular Dispel, since it has a maximum of +10, would be impossble in those cirumstances, but a Geater Dispell would still have fairly good chance of grabbing aggro away from wthe FVA

[Gorbadoc]

Also, boneshard flute.

/Signed

[Bilger]

Clerics, FVS, and possibly rangers yes others NO!!

[Chaosprism]

/signed




Dismissing a charm in pnp is probably as simple as slapping the charmed creature across the face, snapping them out of it. Though it's unlikely a dominated creature would snap out of it regardless, it would come at the whim of the dominator only.

A rogue with UMD could use a scroll or wand of charm effect.


Rangers, FVS and cleric definitely need dismiss charm, so you may as well give it to everyone.
The other way to control dismiss abuse is to only allow the originator of the charm to dismiss that charm effect.

[Mockduck]

Recently the Dismiss Charm feat was added to level 1 Bard, Wizard, and Sorcerer, so they can cancel a control spell on a monster (when you want to kill it). Since those arcane classes make the most use of charm/dominate effects, it's understandable that other classes wouldn't have been burdened with the complexity of having an icon that they can't usually use.

However, there are reasons any character could charm a monster, and thus want to dismiss it:
* Ranger animal empathy
* Cleric/FVS Symbol of Persuasion
* FVS Command Undead
* UMD + Charm/Dominate scroll
* Wolf Whistle necklace

So, the suggestion: Give a dialog option to some magician NPC where for a fee of 100 gp, he teaches you Dismiss Charm

That way new players aren't confused by seeing that feat icon, unless they went out trying to get it.

Yes!

[Aerendil]

/signed for Clerics, FVS, and the like.

Sat around for almost 5 minutes last night in a Delera's run after a cleric charmed one of the undead we needed to finish off to proceed.
Very, very annoying.

[Impaqt]

/signed for Clerics, FVS, and the like.

Sat around for almost 5 minutes last night in a Delera's run after a cleric charmed one of the undead we needed to finish off to proceed.
Very, very annoying.

WHen did Clerics get Charm Undead? I gotta go swapa spell!

[SirAggravator]

Yes please!
I was about to post the same thing but found this thread

Symbol of persuasion on my cleric is really handy for soloing but waiting for the charm to end
before a quest can continue is a pain.

I tried about 6 break enchantment/ greater dispell scrolls but gave up when they couldn't beat the DC.