Mod9 Max DPS THF Build (WF Frenzied Berserker)

[Monkey_Archer]

Another thing I've noticed as of late is that the 2-swing method (swing twice, move, swing twice, move) seems to be slower with a greatsword. I know they supposedly straightened out the variances in THF swing speed, but I think this was done from a "full attack sequence" perspective, and not on a per-swing basis. If the two-swing method is less (or more) effective with a greatsword, the best weapon will be even less obvious.

Yes this is true.. previously greatswords were ~5% slower auto attacking, and ~8-10% slower twitch attacking..
Now, they equalized autoattacking, but twitch is still 3-5% slower
I still dont know why they didnt just use the greataxe animation...

[QuantumFX]

I still don’t know why they didnt just use the greataxe animation...

Cause it didn’t “look” right. (Yes, it is indeed a lame @$$ excuse.)

[Absolute-Omniscience]

Wait so now you have it listed both ways, where the frenzy increase benefits the IC (Great axe), and where it doesn't (great sword)

I'm guessing you meant

GA= 1*6x, 1*3x
GS+ 2*5x, 2*2x

No I meant exactly what I said.
The FB crits works on 19-20 only, and as a GA have 19-20 crit range, you have 2*6x crits and with great sword you get 2*5x crits and 2*x crits

[Shade]

So the on a great axe you are getting x6 modifier for damage?!?

Yea. It's awesome, part of the a reason it's the max dps build.
550+ dmg crits.

However it's only on a 19-20 regardless of weapon.. So no, it's not better to use a sword.

[Yargore]

Yea. It's awesome, part of the a reason it's the max dps build.

Yet you insist on 100% fort

[saturne]

holy carp... I just can't believe this thread. 90% of the stuff posted in reply to the OP is absolutely meaningless to a new player like me.

This build is also written as a guide for new players. It will work excellent as a first character and should be fun to play.

Shade, new player here. Your mission was accomplished. I started using your guide for my WF barb yesterday and so far have been having a carpload of fun. I knew essentially nothing about DDO before, but this guide has so far been great. I'm level 4 now.

To the others: New player here. All the carp you spewed was meaningless in this thread from my perspective. If you have other ideas or a better new player guide I'd rather have just seen a link to one. I'd still appreciate one if you honestly believe yours is better. I'm even more than willing to try another one out and let you know which I find better.

I'm only level 4 and I know I have a long way to go, but all this inane arguing really was useless. I doubt I'm ever going to raid. I'll likely solo most of my time as long as I can. I just don't have the time to invest and grouping and raiding means I have people depending on me and I can't just quit out whenever I need to. If anybody has any meaningful build or other guides, I'm more than willing to read and maybe try them out.

If any of you wanna flame me, please feel free but I'd much rather you provided guidance that's meaningful to a newb player like me.

Thanks!

[RACRGUY]

No I meant exactly what I said.
The FB crits works on 19-20 only, and as a GA have 19-20 crit range, you have 2*6x crits and with great sword you get 2*5x crits and 2*x crits

Ok, just checking

[LawstCawz]

Shade, new player here. Your mission was accomplished.

I'm only level 4 and I know I have a long way to go, but all this inane arguing really was useless.

The first post is what you need to read and is updated to reflect the discussions going on in this thread. This is the forums. Propose another way to settle ideas than through a debate and I'm sure we're all for it.

[spifflove]

Ok twitching got the nerf just as I always suspected it would once shade posted his videos.

Thanks for sharing, not that I can benefit from it anymore

All you math geeks its back to the drawing board.

[Absolute-Omniscience]

Ok twitching got the nerf just as I always suspected it would once shade posted his videos.

Thanks for sharing, not that I can benefit from it anymore

All you math geeks its back to the drawing board.

Yupp, shamed it was nerfed. Added skill to THF attacking and made it balanced, now it's gimped again.

back to drawing board = change a couple of numbers in the calculator.

[spifflove]

Yupp, shamed it was nerfed. Added skill to THF attacking and made it balanced, now it's gimped again.

back to drawing board = change a couple of numbers in the calculator.

Ya a real shame.

So where are they

[Strakeln]

Yupp, shamed it was nerfed. Added skill to THF attacking and made it balanced, now it's gimped again.

Agreed. They should have probably fixed the auto-attack so it was more on par with TWF auto-attack (or, conversely, made TWF auto-attack suck unless they twitched every two swings ) but left it so that twitch play still yielded benefit. Player skill should have meaning.

At one time, there was some thinking along these lines with the devs back when they were playing around with auto-attack (a couple years ago, not the most recent changes). Sometime way way back, they said that you'd get a slight benefit (more swings/minute) from click-spamming instead of auto-attacking. That never seemed to actually take place, but they were talking like it had.

[Shade]

Ok twitching got the nerf just as I always suspected it would once shade posted his videos.

mm unsurprisingly your talking about something you have no idea about.

There was no real direct nerf to THF twitch atacking this patch. It still provides a significant boost to DPS.

Yes, indirectly, it is less effective then before, but that's mostly a side effect of removing the incredibly awful 5th attack. Since auto attack is so much better now, the difference in twitch and auto attack is less. Instead of +40%, its about +20%.

Really, the change just brough us back to where we were at BAB12-14 or so (mod2,3,4), pre 5th attack. Twitch was effective then, but not insanely effective as it was in the BAB15+ days.

For me yea in the end it is a nerf. I tested again vs the portal using twitch and it took 55 seconds vs 50 seconds, so a 10% loss in DPS. But keep in mind - ALL attack styles were reduced.

Infact - for the very large majority of players - who attack normally.. THF, and this build just got a significant boost in DPS. It is really the only style of attacking that has gained attacks per minuit this patch.

[Shade]

At one time, there was some thinking along these lines with the devs back when they were playing around with auto-attack (a couple years ago, not the most recent changes). Sometime way way back, they said that you'd get a slight benefit (more swings/minute) from click-spamming instead of auto-attacking. That never seemed to actually take place, but they were talking like it had.

This was true, module0 thru 3. I think it was changed in mod4, maybe5.

Just plain old click spamming, while standing stil.. Was slightly faster then using the auto attack button.

[Absolute-Omniscience]

At one time, there was some thinking along these lines with the devs back when they were playing around with auto-attack (a couple years ago, not the most recent changes). Sometime way way back, they said that you'd get a slight benefit (more swings/minute) from click-spamming instead of auto-attacking. That never seemed to actually take place, but they were talking like it had.

Yeh, this is how it worked pre mod...X. Changed at mod X because it was a useless "feature". Auto attack is now the same speed as clicking.

[Absolute-Omniscience]

For me yea in the end it is a nerf. I tested again vs the portal using twitch and it took 55 seconds vs 50 seconds, so a 10% loss in DPS. But keep in mind - ALL attack styles were reduced.

Wrong, TWF just got +25% more offhand attacks yielding quite a lot of dps. And they're still at 83 attacks per minute, (if what Eldarin said is true).
And also, if what he said is true, the move while attacking, attackspeed was slightly reduced and the early combo blows, meaning that THF twitching now is slightly slower. Just as you said.

[gfunk]

Wrong, TWF just got +25% more offhand attacks yielding quite a lot of dps. And they're still at 83 attacks per minute, (if what Eldarin said is true).
And also, if what he said is true, the move while attacking, attackspeed was slightly reduced and the early combo blows, meaning that THF twitching now is slightly slower. Just as you said.

seems to be a bit more attacks for tempest III.. my lvl 18 dex ranger killed the portal in 61 seconds (on auto attack), though I haven't crafted a haste clicky so I had to pause to drink. Used a triple pos rapier and a holy of gcb longsword, so I don't know how comparable the results are.

[spifflove]

mm unsurprisingly your talking about something you have no idea about.

For me yea in the end it is a nerf. .

Things that make you go hmmmm.

[Yargore]

Things that make you go hmmmm.

lol.

[kingfisher]

Player skill should have meaning.

no! we will not allow players with skill to be better than those without. this would make the game unfair to those that suck. being better means less now. soon maybe the can fix all the classes so they will do the exact same damge too. its only fair right?