Mod9 Max DPS THF Build (WF Frenzied Berserker)

[Nick_RC]

How are you getting your Dex this high?

14 base
7 stat(epic spectral gloves most likely)
1 exceptional
1 litany
3 tome

is 26 right there.

Hell u could add another

1 +4 tome
2 exc bonus
2 yug pot(I can't remember right away what the penalty is I have a feeling it's actually quite bad... So I'm not necessarily advocating it lol).

I'm not sure what he started with for dex but it's likely similar to mine with a base no lower than 14

[xEthreal]

How are you getting your Dex this high?

Post above explains it all

[sephiroth1084]

14 base
7 stat(epic spectral gloves most likely)
1 exceptional
1 litany
3 tome

is 26 right there.

Hell u could add another

1 +4 tome
2 exc bonus
2 yug pot(I can't remember right away what the penalty is I have a feeling it's actually quite bad... So I'm not necessarily advocating it lol).

I'm not sure what he started with for dex but it's likely similar to mine with a base no lower than 14

I should have just done that myself, but thanks, nick.

[Shade]

14 base
7 stat(epic spectral gloves most likely)
1 exceptional
1 litany
3 tome

is 26 right there.

Hell u could add another

1 +4 tome
2 exc bonus
2 yug pot(I can't remember right away what the penalty is I have a feeling it's actually quite bad... So I'm not necessarily advocating it lol).

I'm not sure what he started with for dex but it's likely similar to mine with a base no lower than 14

Yea that's exactly what I got on him. Cept I got a +4 tome and not littanny. (lol only +4 tome he's got)

Yugoloth pot is -2 attack.. So being I can miss some targets fully buffed with the +2 str ones and epic spectrals, I tend to avoid those heh.

[Comfortably]

Yea that's exactly what I got on him. Cept I got a +4 tome and not littanny. (lol only +4 tome he's got)

Yugoloth pot is -2 attack.. So being I can miss some targets fully buffed with the +2 str ones and epic spectrals, I tend to avoid those heh.

You miss a lot fully buffed? Doesn't sound like a max DPS build to me...

[Shade]

You miss a lot fully buffed? Doesn't sound like a max DPS build to me...

lol. This build has amoung the highest attack bonus in the game of any build. But with a -11 power attack penalty, there's some targets in the game (not many) I may miss on some low rolls such as
epic wizard king (~70AC).
gnoll packmasters in the same quest (~75AC)
Hitting em up with a improved destruct takes care of that tho.
Several builds that cal themself "dps" would have a hard time hitting these targets on a roll of 19. I might miss on a 2 before destruction, but still pretty **** good dps.

In some endgame cases like this tho, my Dwarf build can be better... Few more attack bonus and more seeker (epic marilith chain) can be nice.

Point is, yugoloth dex pots are bad on epic, don't use them. (and I really only play epic these days)

[Comfortably]

lol. This build has amoung the highest attack bonus in the game of any build. But with a -11 power attack penalty, there's some targets in the game (not many) I may miss on some low rolls such as
epic wizard king (~70AC).
gnoll packmasters in the same quest (~75AC)
Hitting em up with a improved destruct takes care of that tho.
Several builds that cal themself "dps" would have a hard time hitting these targets on a roll of 19. I might miss on a 2 before destruction, but still pretty **** good dps.

In some endgame cases like this tho, my Dwarf build can be better... Few more attack bonus and more seeker (epic marilith chain) can be nice.

Point is, yugoloth dex pots are bad on epic, don't use them. (and I really only play epic these days)

If it has such a high to hit, then why did you post that you couldn't hit things? Please try to get your story straight before you post. Sheesh man.

Knocking on other builds without any proof doesn't make yours better, Shade. Post some numbers for me.

[Shade]

If it has such a high to hit, then why did you post that you couldn't hit things? Please try to get your story straight before you post. Sheesh man.

Knocking on other builds without any proof doesn't make yours better, Shade. Post some numbers for me.

No.

Obvious troll is obvious.

[Comfortably]

No.

Obvious troll is obvious.

I wasn't trolling. I called you out on your assumptions and guesses. The fact that you can't back up your build having the maximum DPS is just sad.

Thanks for the let down, Shade.

[Nick_RC]

Yea that's exactly what I got on him. Cept I got a +4 tome and not littanny. (lol only +4 tome he's got)

Yugoloth pot is -2 attack.. So being I can miss some targets fully buffed with the +2 str ones and epic spectrals, I tend to avoid those heh.

Yeah I thought it was that but was too lazy to double check heh. I found the only ones carried and used full time were the strength and con pots. I guess situationally they could be useful but end game elite/epic I doubt their worth as well heh.

[Wraith_Sarevok]

I wasn't trolling. I called you out on your assumptions and guesses. The fact that you can't back up your build having the maximum DPS is just sad.

Thanks for the let down, Shade.

Even an amateur player can see how much work and thought he puts into his builds, which is why I always try to avoid asking questions that can be answered just by reading and comparing stats. Instead of asking to be spoon-fed information, you should try to make an effort on your own to research how the game works.


Ancient Band would probably be a better item to wear then the Minos Legens. Since Green Steel rings don't exist, you can put a DPS helm on and still be heavily fortified at the cost of -20 HP. You can only wear one exclusive ring (unless I missed a rule somewhere) and from what I could tell, there aren't many good alternatives for the second slot.

Useful clickies to have:
- 3x Planar Gird (+4 morale bonus to Attack, Saving Throws, Skills, Fear Immunity; lasts 11 min each, up to 33 min total) Hands down the best source of self-buffing morale bonuses and remains extremely useful throughout the game against any non-dispelling mob.

- 3x Docent of the Flames/Claw or equivalent armor (Magic and Force Missile immunity; lasts 14 min each, up to 42 min total) Useful for casters and completely surpasses Shield clickies as a long-term buff.

- Prayer clickie, 5x/day (+1 luck bonus to Attack, Damage, Saving Throws, Skills; lasts 1 min 10 s each, up to 6 min 15 s with 5x) Very rare, but remains somewhat useful throughout the game. Surpasses Divine Favor clickies as a short-term buff.

Also, could the Epic Red Dragonscale Docent be considered as a main gear item? It offers several useful benefits such as superior fire resistance and a flaming burst effect on ANY equipped weapon. With a +4 resistance item equipped, the blue augment slot can be enhanced to give you what amounts to a +6 total to all saves. My only concern is that many enemies are immune to fire, so it may end up wasting a slot that could have gone to a customized Dragontouched docent.

[Shade]

Ancient Band would probably be a better item to wear then the Minos Legens. Since Green Steel rings don't exist, you can put a DPS helm on and still be heavily fortified at the cost of -20 HP. You can only wear one exclusive ring (unless I missed a rule somewhere) and from what I could tell, there aren't many good alternatives for the second slot.

You can wear 2 exclusive rings. Long as they are different ones.

And there are a couple awesome choices when it come sto tower rings that far exceed anything a greensteel helm (as your third greensteel) could offer dps-wise.

(assuming your first ring your belt/ring set (ie: Ravager or Berserker) They are:
Shintao Ring (6wisdom, ex str +1, +2 hit and damage with set bonus, fully stacks with berserker set) I use this and upgraded it with +2 exceptional con.
Kensai Ring (6str, ex con +1, +3 to hit, not as good as shintao overall, but can be quite nice espcially if they extra 1 con helps you)

[Carpone]

By end game .. Raid loot to work towards:
Reaver stuffs pretty easy to get currently - so run as many reavers as you can and try to get the madstone boots and shield.
Hound is an imporant one to run - Try to get the Leviks Bracers, the healing amp is very important to a warforged. The shields are also very nice.

Consider consolidating tanking info for this build into a separate section within the OP. It's a bit confusing to see shields mentioned in a max dps thread.

Also, with regards to healing amp, you give the example of levik's+docent of blood+finger necklace for 102%. What healing amp do you typically run epic raids with? I'm assuming you're using your perfect DT docent (+5 resist, CWG, Destruction) so it's less than 100%.

[Midgavia]

If it has such a high to hit, then why did you post that you couldn't hit things? Please try to get your story straight before you post. Sheesh man.

Knocking on other builds without any proof doesn't make yours better, Shade. Post some numbers for me.

Anyways...

Awesome build Shade, been playing it for some time now.

[Shade]

Consider consolidating tanking info for this build into a separate section within the OP. It's a bit confusing to see shields mentioned in a max dps thread.

Also, with regards to healing amp, you give the example of levik's+docent of blood+finger necklace for 102%. What healing amp do you typically run epic raids with? I'm assuming you're using your perfect DT docent (+5 resist, CWG, Destruction) so it's less than 100%.

Just because it's a max dps build doesn't mean you can't also be a great tank. Every melee character in ddo should carry a shield. No matter what. There really is no excuse not too.

As a max dps build, you will have agro.. And sometimes shield blocking is critical. Yea most of the time you'll never use one, but when that rare situations comes where you do, you better have a good one. Good high lvl example is tower of despair. Usually barbaraisn will tank the bosses, but sometimes its better to shield block to save the healer some trouble. Especially if your killign suulomades and tanking horoth, you can block and make it easier.

Might add a section with some tanking tips later.

Docent:
I do use my 102% heal amp setup (blood docent) for any difficult raids where the majority of the healing is coming from clr/fvs. If im being repaired instead, I'll use either docent of defiance or quaforged docent of battle for more hp.

[Carpone]

Might add a section with some tanking tips later.

Why using a shield isn't clear: If you keep aggro through DPS, then it would follow that shield use lowers DPS. That would make it more difficult to maintain aggro, correct? Obviously I'm new to tanking in DDO, so I'm just trying to understand the basics of non-intimidation tanking. Any insight folks can share would be welcomed.

I do use my 102% heal amp setup (blood docent) for any difficult raids where the majority of the healing is coming from clr/fvs. If im being repaired instead, I'll use either docent of defiance or quaforged docent of battle for more hp.

So in what situations are you using your 'perfect' Dragontouched Docent that you recommend in the OP?

[sephiroth1084]

Why using a shield isn't clear: If you keep aggro through DPS, then it would follow that shield use lowers DPS. That would make it more difficult to maintain aggro, correct? Obviously I'm new to tanking in DDO, so I'm just trying to understand the basics of non-intimidation tanking. Any insight folks can share would be welcomed.

If you have aggro via DPS and something goes sideways, bust out the shield and block until things settle down; no one else is going to be beating on whatever you were tanking during those moments.

Similarly, in, say, Tower of Despair, if your group is a little low on healing the Horoth tank may want to just block while the party takes down Sulu in order to make things easier, and less risky, while the healers' attention is divided amongst several targets. Again, no one else is going to be hitting Horoth at that point, so you won't be losing aggro, because you've already built it up by beating the snot out of him.

[Shade]

Why using a shield isn't clear: If you keep aggro through DPS, then it would follow that shield use lowers DPS. That would make it more difficult to maintain aggro, correct? Obviously I'm new to tanking in DDO, so I'm just trying to understand the basics of non-intimidation tanking. Any insight folks can share would be welcomed.

With a build like this, you can deals significantly more damage then anyone else in the raid - allowing you to take respites inbetween and not lose agro. Tower of Despair is a good example. In the time it takes the group to kill suulomades I can get horoth down a good 10-20%.. This means I can safely just shield block the final 10-20% of his health and agro will not switch. It can save mana pots as it's easy enough to keep a tank up who's shielding blocking with scrolls alone even if everyones out of mana.

So in what situations are you using your 'perfect' Dragontouched Docent that you recommend in the OP?

Can't say I do.. Becasue I dont have it =/ Ideal would be healing amp 10/20/Destruction (or 10/crushing wave/Destruction with leviks), but the destruction rune is rather hard to get. My other 3 barbarians do have one tho, and I will use that armor almost exclusively in most epic quests unless A) Someone else is, B) Got a bard and wanna wear my redscale (usually do on my main, other barbs don't have redscale yet) c) Wearing epic marilith chain for max dps in raids where fire damage doesn't work and healing amp isn't critical.

[sephiroth1084]

Can't say I do.. Becasue I dont have it =/ Ideal would be healing amp 10/20/Destruction (or 10/crushing wave/Destruction with leviks), but the destruction rune is rather hard to get.

Is it? I guess I'll count myself lucky. DT docent for my up and coming barb is GFL (need to change this; looking for the healing amp), +1 exceptional Con, Destruction. Was going to just keep modding that one, but if the Destruction is that hard to find I suppose I'll work on a second docent going for the guards version rather than losing this one.

[lord_of_rage]

So I have soul my dwarf twf pick barb sitting there at 17 dual min2 picks. Mostly geared out as I havent ran him much since EU due to lack of time. The question is should i throw the lesser on him once I craft a lit2 ga and a min2 ga, and set him up thf. Is it worth it? Any thoughts?